Seems like a lot of Letsrun posters are anti-death penalty until a story like this one floats up then blood is called for. If a sex offender should die, shouldn't convicted murderers as well? Just saying.
Seems like a lot of Letsrun posters are anti-death penalty until a story like this one floats up then blood is called for. If a sex offender should die, shouldn't convicted murderers as well? Just saying.
music - your query opens up all sorts of possibilities.
Let this guy free on bond, tell the world where is going to be released, and the community would quickly have the answer as to where this young woman can be found.
Of course, it might involve a trip to Mexico in a car trunk, and some excruciating torture, but the community would get their answer.
The rule of law is important, but extreme cases entice us to violate it.
If your question/comment was directed at me, I never said I was anti-death penalty.
Murderers, sex predators, gang leaders who've shown they'll do anything to stay on top, human traffickers - sheeeeut, put em in max security, don't let them out, and let it all work itself out in there.
stache - indeed one could argue that was what happened with Jeffrery Dahmer - killed by another inmate. The minute he was let out in any way into the general population ("mistake" or not), he met his demise.
The Stache wrote:
Study after study after study has shown that rehabilitation, behavioral modicfication, job training, etc is a better long-term fix for the vast majority of criminals than just throwing them in jail. Our current jails make criminals worse. The exception to all this - sexual predators. These pieces of human garbage cannot be rehabbed.
Actually you are wrong. Studies show that sex offenders have much lower recidivism rates than all other criminals, and most likely it will be other petty offenses that will likely put them back in jail.
68% of non sex offenders will be rearrested for a crime, 1.3% for sex crimes.
43% of sex offenders will be rearrested for a crime, 5.3% for sex crimes.
Given that sex crimes constitute a small minority of all crimes, that means, in absolute numbers, that the great majority, perhaps by a 20-1 margin, of all sex crimes committed by released felons are NOT committed by those who were previously incarcerated for a sex crime.
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Figures from a 1994 DOJ study on recidivism indicated that compared to non-sex offender felons, a sex offender was 4 times more likely to be rearrested for a sex crime (1.3% of released non-sex offenders were later arrested for a sex crime, while 5.3% of released sex offenders were later arrested for a different sex crime)
On the other hand, the same study mentions that 68% of released non-sex offenders were rearrested for any crime (both sex and non-sex offenses), while 43% of the released sex offenders were rearrested for any crime (and 24% reconvicted).[2]
According to the Office of Justice Programs of the United States Department of Justice,[3] in New York State the recidivism rates for sex offenders have been shown to be lower than any other crime except murder. Another report from the OJP that studied recidivism of prisoners released in 1994 in 15 states accounting for two-thirds of all prisoners released in the United States that year,[4] reached the same conclusion.
Night train bobsled wrote:
This is something police talk to running clubs about all the time. Unfortunatley it falls on deaf ears.
Women who run alone, with headphones (ipod etc) are the #1 target for attackers. They can not hear anyone coming up behind them. (We have all been there. Running along and pass some woman or man with headphones, and they jump.)
Wearing headphones, you also can not hear if someone is calling for help.
But, like I said, many, if not over 90% say they are not giving up their music, even if it means they have a higher percentage of being attacked.
What will it take for people to wake up?
Also important is to vary the time you run (hard to do if you have a rigid work schedule) and your route. If some scumbag is looking for a victim, and he sees the same target every day at the same place and time, it makes it a lot easier.
I got in several fights with my college-age sister who would run at night with headphones on though questionable neighborhoods just off campus. I never convinced her not to do it, mainly becasue it my case would just degenerate into "You must be a f-ing idiot." She was. Fortunately she was never attacked.
Are the studies you are citing examining various rehabilitation strategies as a means to reduce being reincarcerated? Or did it just look at the numbers as they are? Our prison system does not do a very good job compared to other industrialized countries at rehabilitating, retraining, and educating inmates. We have a very high rate of parolees who return to prison, no matter who it is or what they did. The point I was making is that when successful rehab and retraining strategies are put into place, the numbers of those returning to prison go down dramatically overall, especially in small-time drug charges. The exception is in sex offenders. The strategies do not reduce their reincarceration rates. Look at studies from Europe. And yes, I know we have a different culture.
Anyway, this gets off the point.
The point of the thread is about a missing young girl, which is awful. I feel terrible for the family.
being rearrested and reoffending are 2 different things....
one could conclude that once a sexual preditors is caught, they learn from their mistakes so as not to get caught again.
If those stats had said sexual preditor reoffense rate was lower than....you might have had an intersting point.
Well I definitely don't have a good feeling about this one.. I mean, they've caught the guy and still have yet to find the girl. That can kind've be foreshadowing as to her fate...
Facts are not want you want wrote:
68% of non sex offenders will be rearrested for a crime, 1.3% for sex crimes.
43% of sex offenders will be rearrested for a crime, 5.3% for sex crimes.
Given that sex crimes constitute a small minority of all crimes, that means, in absolute numbers, that the great majority, perhaps by a 20-1 margin, of all sex crimes committed by released felons are NOT committed by those who were previously incarcerated for a sex crime.
Wow-- any idea why?
"She routinely ran four to six miles along the web of trails on the southern shores of Lake Hodges."
You can't let attractive young girls run alone in a liberal blue state like California.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s8w9GEpSzw
Obama worked for the people above, Obama says he wants "sex education" in kindergarten, Obama appointed a School Safety Czar who illegally hid a relationship of underage boy with a teacher, etc.
This from the LA Times:
"Gardner, of Lake Elsinore, was convicted in a previous incident of one count of lewd acts with a child under 14, according to state records."
Lewd acts with a child under 14 and this guy is out on the streets? Are you kidding me?
Night train bobsled wrote:
This is something police talk to running clubs about all the time. Unfortunatley it falls on deaf ears.
Women who run alone, with headphones (ipod etc) are the #1 target for attackers. They can not hear anyone coming up behind them. (We have all been there. Running along and pass some woman or man with headphones, and they jump.)
Wearing headphones, you also can not hear if someone is calling for help.
But, like I said, many, if not over 90% say they are not giving up their music, even if it means they have a higher percentage of being attacked.
What will it take for people to wake up?
They should get the new Ipod Nano. The external speaker is loud enough to hear without headphones. It's hard to hear in a high traffic area, but then again you probably wouldn't get attacked on a main road in front of cars.
rashun - i am worried too - authorities talking about bringing murder and rape charges. Then again, he has been associated with another murder, so there may be hope yet.
A body has been found, assumed to be King, http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/03/national/main6261560.shtml.