Ramzi OUT

This issue confirms why my interest in track and field has diminished over the years.

A 3:38ish (in my estimation) 1500 runner without PED's takes PEDS and thus can run a 3:30 1500 and put himself in a position to win a gold medal. There isn't anything impressive or inspiring about it.

The 3:38 runner then gets caught, but only months after the event, rendering the race far less meaningful. Informed spectators thus spend their time guessing at which athletes are on drugs or not - hardly a way to build interest in a flagging sport.

And HRE, I understand the rationale you are intuiting, i.e, a guy like Ramzi finds the benefits worth the risks, which escalate at events such as the Olympics. But that calculus could be applied to anyone who commits a crime or breaks the rules for financial gain. No intention to offend, but it is not that interesting.

The real issue to me is that this is the Olympic 1500 meters - along with the 100 meters - the flagship event for track and field. And we are informed of the disqualification of the gold medal winner months later through obscure press blips? It turns the race into some sort of distorted exhibition, something that, by way of example, John Walker's 1500 win in Montreal clearly was not.

Again, I am not sure there is an answer - other than letting big events become PED free for alls with no rules - but this is a terrible moment for the sport in a sport that needs positive moments.

So now another drug cheat is going to get a medal. Bahla the Bronze! That's shit.....

I would say more like a 3:32-33 guy takes EPO and then goes 3:30, definitely not 3:38, or we would see a lot more 3:30s (because I am willing to believe that there are a lot of 3:38'ers who would cheat to run 3:30)

actually, actually wrote:

A 3:38ish (in my estimation) 1500 runner without PED's takes PEDS and thus can run a 3:30 1500 and put himself in a position to win a gold medal.

You've been watching too many drug ads on tv.

Take a walk through any hospital, and see how well those drugs are really working for people.

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Ramzi is tha Man yoooooooooooooooooooo

Yes!!! Get them all....Bek goes down soon I hope....

J.R. wrote:

actually, actually wrote:

A 3:38ish (in my estimation) 1500 runner without PED's takes PEDS and thus can run a 3:30 1500 and put himself in a position to win a gold medal.

You've been watching too many drug ads on tv.

Take a walk through any hospital, and see how well those drugs are really working for people.

I took 40,000-60,000 IU of EPO every week for something like 66 weeks, so I DO know how well EPO works, actually.

It's truly a wonder drug.

Why would Ramzi take a chance with drugs during or just before the Olympics? He had way too much to lose. The testing results must be flawed or some other criminal activity is taking place.[/quote]

Some people rob banks, others use drugs to beat the opposition, enough with the Africans ran to school crap, these lazy bastards are being found out now....

Some people rob banks, others use drugs to beat the opposition, enough with the Africans ran to school crap, these lazy bastards are being found out now....

Ramzi was not in the part of Africa where the 'run to school' part is the mainstay, but why mess up an opinion with geography.

So "joltin joe" you believe only AFRICANS are part of this conspiracy and not ALSAL and his croonies. White American distance runners are God's creatures and their success is chopped down to simple hard work while everyone else are on peds? Man you're really showing your ignorance here buddy.

fgfg wrote:

Sammysung wrote:

Why would Ramzi take a chance with drugs during or just before the Olympics? He had way too much to lose. The testing results must be flawed or some other criminal activity is taking place.

Ritz was clean

Unless they penalize you financially, it pays to cheat in track.

Sammysung wrote:

Why would Ramzi take a chance with drugs during or just before the Olympics? He had way too much to lose. The testing results must be flawed or some other criminal activity is taking place.

Because he was a shit runner?

gray sweats wrote:

Unless they penalize you financially, it pays to cheat in track.

It's fraud & should be a criminal offence

At the very least the IAAF should increase the ban to 4 years.

It's too bad that the IAAF cannot be the sole source of payment to athletes. Then there could be financial penalties. No sponsorsips from corporation to athletes. If you cheat, your out. Go find another career.

an observer wrote:

I took 40,000-60,000 IU of EPO every week for something like 66 weeks, so I DO know how well EPO works, actually.

It's truly a wonder drug.

That's a lot of EPO.

98% of 3:38 runners will NOT be 3:30 runners if they put on an EPO protocol. You are full of shite. There are other factors at work. While all will respond to the drug, one still has to be an outlier in their response or start from a better position so to speak. It's more likely to have a 3:33 runner drop to 3:29 - 3:30 or better. I think this is the case with Ramzi and in fact the case with Lagat and some others, although the howls of Lagat's B sample being "negative" will raise the roof. He was as guilty as the day is long, as big a fraud as Ramzi. You can probably toss Ngeny in their also along with Boulami.

infamous wrote:

So "joltin joe" you believe only AFRICANS are part of this conspiracy and not ALSAL and his croonies. White American distance runners are God's creatures and their success is chopped down to simple hard work while everyone else are on peds? Man you're really showing your ignorance here buddy.

Ah, the straw man arguments.

It is a fact that American, European, Japanese, etc all have to jump through the hoops of testing regularly and on unexpected occasions. The North and East Africans really do avoid testing much of the year. Just a simple fact. If you toss in coaches and "advisors" like Dr. Rosa, Jos Hermens, Boulami and others with sketchy backgrounds or evidence of their own drug use, one can see it's quite possible that some of the Africans are doping. Lot of talented runners, but no doubt some of them doped all the way to their wide-eyed looks that feign innocence.

It would be interesting to hear from you which ones are doped? Only the successful ones or the ones that are not as successful? Or how fast in your pathetic little mind an east african is capable of running compared to a non-east african without drugs if they are on any? Bottom line is you really don't know shit. Pure speculation and jealousy. That's like me making a baseless accusation that 9/11 was an inside job and ol'bushy boy was in on it. Now I never liked Bush just like you are not too fawn of the e. africans but that doesn't give me the right to make that kind baseless claim about him especially if I don't have any evidence back it up just like you (and others like you) don't have any evidence about the e.africans. Besides Ramzi is from MOROCCO. What the hell does this situation have anything to do with the e.africans. These two geographical locations are on opposite sides of the continent. BTW.. You bring up Rosa, Hermens, etc which I won't challenge you there but you also need to read about ALSAL and his Balco incident. If you believe that EPO usage is only a isolated issue prevailing in a few countries than your wrong pal.

infamous wrote:

So "joltin joe" you believe only AFRICANS are part of this conspiracy and not ALSAL and his croonies. White American distance runners are God's creatures and their success is chopped down to simple hard work while everyone else are on peds? Man you're really showing your ignorance here buddy.

No, you're showing yours. Frank Shorter, John Walker, Jim Ryun, Pre, Dave Wottle, Marty Liquori, Coghlan, did not use drugs...EPO gives a cheater an 8 second per mile boost, you do the math, son. Walker with a -8 for epo equals 3:41but he wouldn't do that. Ramzi would, or actually did.