Lamat wrote:
One time European woman's 1500 champion Süreyya Ayhan protested positive doping tests from September, blaming sabotage for the results.
That is quite possible.
However, she could not explain away the credit card receipts for the juice, leaving a paper trail.
Do you have such a direct quote from her about this, or is that something else you read in a news report.
i bet she's good in bed since she's so naughty in real life
She is a muslim! Please be more respectful. Outside of marriage, muslim women do not consort with other males. This is a great fault (haram) for muslims.
Islam is a clean religion of family duty.
If you went to Eastern Turkey and said those things, you would get into a lot of trouble.
Thank you.
Ghost in Saudi,
Not everyone follows the rules.
Ghost is a p.o.s., we've known that for a while. Nothing sad or tragic at all about this. Like any other doper (including a so-called "legend" on this board) she was so self-important that she put herself above the sport and its best interests, she loved herself far more than she loved the sport and her ego led her to believe that rules didn't apply to her. She let her ambition get the best of her, she wasn't grounded enough to check it. She made her own choices freely and now she gets to face the just consequences. I just wish we could get more lifetime bans for unrepentant cheats.
Ghost, you in turn please be more respectful of those who compete honestly and stop apologizing for drug cheats.
The problem with this Ayhan case is that Sureya should never have been banned in the first place.
In 2004, she was served with a two year suspension for obstructing the work of the IAAF testers, who were trying to force their way into the women's toilets where Ayhan was during a training summer camp in Germany. Of course her coach, Mr Kop, was there and prevented the testers from violating the intimacy of a muslim woman, and that is something that should never be transgressed. It was a cultural problem, because they sent male testers to take samples from Ayhan - a muslim female! You would think that the IAAF would show more sensitivity in such matters.
In 2007, further tests done on Ayhan revealed small traces of metabolites, and she was eventually served a life ban, even though she took the case to the court of arbitration. The life ban was given, even though Ayhan was never guilty of having doped on the original accusation - only of impeding the work of the IAAF testers, similar to the dilemma that John Ngugi faced when IAAF testers tried to force the quiet Kenyan multiple world cross champion, to take a test on his home ground in Kenya. He did not appreciate the heavy handed directives of John Whetton, the IAAF officer responsible for gathering the Ngugi samples. Again - a cultural and social problem.
The point is that one feels this life ban was a travesty of justice, because no double conviction for doping ever took place - only suspicion for the first case, followed by metabolite traces in the second test.
Ironically, in Turkey, Ayhan's relationship with her coach and husband drew more attention than the doping debacle, because Kop, a married man, became the boyfriend of Ayhan, and this created a huge scandal, eventually forcing Kop to marry Ayhan to appease the muslim conservatives, in Kahramanmaras region, Eastern Turkey - a very conservative region, and light years away from the progressive muslim culture (or non culture) of Istanbul and other areas in western Turkey.
Ghost in Saudi,
- apply today.
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ghost wrote:
The problem with this Ayhan case is that Sureya should never have been banned in the first place.
In 2004, she was served with a two year suspension for obstructing the work of the IAAF testers, who were trying to force their way into the women's toilets where Ayhan was during a training summer camp in Germany. Of course her coach, Mr Kop, was there and prevented the testers from violating the intimacy of a muslim woman, and that is something that should never be transgressed. It was a cultural problem, because they sent male testers to take samples from Ayhan - a muslim female! You would think that the IAAF would show more sensitivity in such matters.
In 2007, further tests done on Ayhan revealed small traces of metabolites, and she was eventually served a life ban, even though she took the case to the court of arbitration. The life ban was given, even though Ayhan was never guilty of having doped on the original accusation - only of impeding the work of the IAAF testers, similar to the dilemma that John Ngugi faced when IAAF testers tried to force the quiet Kenyan multiple world cross champion, to take a test on his home ground in Kenya. He did not appreciate the heavy handed directives of John Whetton, the IAAF officer responsible for gathering the Ngugi samples. Again - a cultural and social problem.
The point is that one feels this life ban was a travesty of justice, because no double conviction for doping ever took place - only suspicion for the first case, followed by metabolite traces in the second test.
Ironically, in Turkey, Ayhan's relationship with her coach and husband drew more attention than the doping debacle, because Kop, a married man, became the boyfriend of Ayhan, and this created a huge scandal, eventually forcing Kop to marry Ayhan to appease the muslim conservatives, in Kahramanmaras region, Eastern Turkey - a very conservative region, and light years away from the progressive muslim culture (or non culture) of Istanbul and other areas in western Turkey.
Ghost in Saudi,
http://www.kfupm.edu.sa- apply today.
So the drug testers suspected that she was substituting someone else's urine? and she and her coach/boyfriend made a fuss because this was emabarassing for a muslim female, but not anywhere near as embarassing as the discovery that they were having an adulterous affair?
And you expect us to be sympathetic?
ghost wrote:
The problem with this Ayhan case is that Sureya should never have been banned in the first place.
In 2004, she was served with a two year suspension for obstructing the work of the IAAF testers, who were trying to force their way into the women's toilets where Ayhan was during a training summer camp in Germany. Of course her coach, Mr Kop, was there and prevented the testers from violating the intimacy of a muslim woman, and that is something that should never be transgressed. It was a cultural problem, because they sent male testers to take samples from Ayhan - a muslim female! You would think that the IAAF would show more sensitivity in such matters.
In 2007, further tests done on Ayhan revealed small traces of metabolites, and she was eventually served a life ban, even though she took the case to the court of arbitration. The life ban was given, even though Ayhan was never guilty of having doped on the original accusation - only of impeding the work of the IAAF testers, similar to the dilemma that John Ngugi faced when IAAF testers tried to force the quiet Kenyan multiple world cross champion, to take a test on his home ground in Kenya. He did not appreciate the heavy handed directives of John Whetton, the IAAF officer responsible for gathering the Ngugi samples. Again - a cultural and social problem.
The point is that one feels this life ban was a travesty of justice, because no double conviction for doping ever took place - only suspicion for the first case, followed by metabolite traces in the second test.
Ironically, in Turkey, Ayhan's relationship with her coach and husband drew more attention than the doping debacle, because Kop, a married man, became the boyfriend of Ayhan, and this created a huge scandal, eventually forcing Kop to marry Ayhan to appease the muslim conservatives, in Kahramanmaras region, Eastern Turkey - a very conservative region, and light years away from the progressive muslim culture (or non culture) of Istanbul and other areas in western Turkey.
Ghost in Saudi,
http://www.kfupm.edu.sa- apply today.
The drug testing hypocrisy is a bunch of bull shit and nonsense, created by the pharmaceutical devils.