Why when should she when she actually used EPO? I think your attitude is what is killing professional running.
for what wrote:
Liza should have denied taking EPO and claimed a false positive, the test is controversial, it has its issues.
Why when should she when she actually used EPO? I think your attitude is what is killing professional running.
for what wrote:
Liza should have denied taking EPO and claimed a false positive, the test is controversial, it has its issues.
Being ticked off because she appears to be privileged refelects poorly on your own moral intelligence. You know nothing of her life other than she tested positive for EPO.
Perhaps she has gone to look for help and now shes living happily on a daily dosage of an antidepresant drug.
Odds are she mastermineded the whole accident so she coud callously exploit her children, encouraged her federation to put her through hell, all the while engaging in PED's for decades.
TX Hill Country: Did you have the balls or ovaries to go up to her and tell her how you felt? Or do you choose to simply cower behind you computer screen and a fake post name?
SA Runner: You follow and post everywhere against Liza. Whats with the obsession? I sence a personal vendetta with you. Did she break your heart?
OH JESUS THANK YOU
I was beginning to think she had won an Olympic Gold Medal or two and had a couple of million dollar paydays the way she was being portrayed on the front page.
Dont forget to look up some of the studies out ther. For example on pubmed. EPO works with some people, but has little to none effect on others. Didnt say anything about flying through WDW like Dumbo after having one dose.
GOOFY ROCKS
Dont forget to look up some of the studies out ther. For example on pubmed. EPO works with some people, but has little to none effect on others. Didnt say anything about flying through WDW like Dumbo after having one dose.
GOOFY ROCKS
That's the problem with research. You can't legally give normal people much EPO. They amount to what is only microdoses.
Research studies aren't going to show how effective drugs are.
For years, research showed no benefits of Testosterone or steroids...well that obviously turned out wrong.
Similarly, current research finds little benefits of HGH...once again, practically that is wrong. You just can't give people doses that athletes take ethically.
It makes research on PEDs pretty much useless.
Precious Roy wrote:
She doped in order to try to recover from an injury, not to win a race.
EPO doesn't do that.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7516484.stmPrecious Roy wrote:
to say that she has built a career on doping (as letsrun wants to) assumes that she has either never been tested prior to the positive or was subject to inept testing.
for what wrote:
When did she deny it? When? Produce the evidence/document that backs this slander up?
Having the B Sample tested is protocol. EVERYONE who has a positive A Sample has the B Sample tested, without question.
No comment to anyone until after the B Sample, is as good as denial, she knew she had cheated, and supposedly regretted it... so why not come clean then?
She was still hoping to get away with it.
She knew she had cheated, knew it was wrong, and tried to get away with it. She attended the B sample test and looked for every loophole to get off.. why? She knew she had taken it!
She has earned her scorn.
If you Lance you take a Chance.
I am not very clear how you can reach the Olympics at 40 and do not understand that Recormon is not an "herbal supplement"
I might have been inclined to believe her story, if she said that she was disappointed following her performance at the Olympics and in light of the expected negitive reaction from Athletics New Zealand, she then decided to start using EPO... which would account for her 2:29:37 PB in the San Antonio Marathon last year.
Even though others had pointed the finger at her before, I still might have been inclined to believe that story...
But what she expects us all to believe now, is that she runs a 2:29:37 PB at age 39... and then she decides she needs to start doping.
Regarding the B sample - I believe you have to request the B sample test.
Everyone has the right to say, "no, I admit it, I took EPO", directly after the A sample comes back positive.
Precious Roy wrote:
I actually think she is telling the truth. Why didn't she test positive previously? She has been to two Olympics and the WC. Surely, she was tested at those events. She must have also been tested numerous times by the NZ federation. Her running has been consistently geared towards making the NZ team. So, she has been under their testing regimine for years.
She is still a doper and may have won SA RnR with the benefit of EPO (never heard anything about the timing of the positive test v. races). But to say that she has built a career on doping (as letsrun wants to) assumes that she has either never been tested prior to the positive or was subject to inept testing.
I think she is really an Andy Petit doper. She doped in order to try to recover from an injury, not to win a race. Fortunately, in running, that is still doping. But concluding that her whole career has been the result of doping requires major assumptions about prior testing that are not warranted. I think this is a sad story of a great athlete making a bad decision at the end of her career to try to beat out an injury, not a medicore athlete who was able to become a world class runner by doping.
You need to head out to memorial a little earlier in the morning the sun is baking your brain.
Regina Jacobs won multiple national championships, set 1500m world record indoor at 39, made numerous us teams, without getting caught. Was she clean the whole time she stole National Titles, who knows. Bottom line is she got caught and now nothing she did matters.
Liza got caught now nothing she ever did running wise matters.
tired hips wrote:
I am not very clear how you can reach the Olympics at 40 and do not understand that Recormon is not an "herbal supplement"
Well to be fair, she did say in that interview that she "researched" the product before she used it, saw that it contained EPO, and decided to use it anyway.
That said, this is the same argument that Ivan Basso gave a couple years back ... "yea, that's my blood in the blood bank", but this is the first time I've done such a thing...that freakishly easy win in the Giro just two months before was clean" paraphrased of course.
In otherwords, I don't buy her story, but also I feel bad for her. She is in no way unique in this matter, and almost assuredly all the top runners are doing something wrong.
the700miler wrote:
I don't buy her story, but also I feel bad for her. She is in no way unique in this matter, and almost assuredly all the top runners are doing something wrong.
"[A]lmost assuredly all the top runners are doing something wrong." What inside information do you have that the rest of us lack?
I don't know this woman, and some of the reasons that people gave for suspecting her of doping several years ago were incredibly weak and rightfully challenged, but I'm dismayed by some of the reasons that people are now giving in support of her. Apparently, you believe that she's a liar and a cheat, but you feel sorry for her because "almost assuredly" everyone else in our sport is pond scum. I tend to think that the people in this sport are generally a pretty decent lot.
in the know of what? wrote:
Being ticked off because she appears to be privileged refelects poorly on your own moral intelligence. You know nothing of her life other than she tested positive for EPO.
Perhaps she has gone to look for help and now shes living happily on a daily dosage of an antidepresant drug.
Odds are she mastermineded the whole accident so she coud callously exploit her children, encouraged her federation to put her through hell, all the while engaging in PED's for decades.
TX Hill Country: Did you have the balls or ovaries to go up to her and tell her how you felt? Or do you choose to simply cower behind you computer screen and a fake post name?
SA Runner: You follow and post everywhere against Liza. Whats with the obsession? I sence a personal vendetta with you. Did she break your heart?
Are even remotely thought based in this life?
Know nothing of her life?
Please, there are articles and interviews out there.
Did you watch the 60 Mins NZ story? Duh, plenty there about her life...interview filmed in her home, her husband interviewed.
That is a hell of a lot more than simply knowing her positive drug test, and that in itself SAYS A LOT. She tries to spin it as some attempt at regaining her health.
HERE IS WHAT I KNOW, YOU - CAN - NOT - BE - TWO - TIME -OLYMPIAN - AND NOT KNOW THE IMPLICATIONS OF WHAT YOU ARE DOING WHEN YOU TAKE EPO.
Absolutely no excusable excuse at this time in history.
If she wanted to take the drug to heal, she should have retired, healed, then applied for reinstatement.
And take a look at her house, this woman is upper middle class at worst, and spoiled. Arrogant to think she could get away with it.
Try and imagine that you are the kind of person who would NEVER take PEDs.
I would have been a lot more impressed if that interview revealed that she was getting serious mental health care.
the700miler wrote:
tired hips wrote:I am not very clear how you can reach the Olympics at 40 and do not understand that Recormon is not an "herbal supplement"
Well to be fair, she did say in that interview that she "researched" the product before she used it, saw that it contained EPO, and decided to use it anyway.
That said, this is the same argument that Ivan Basso gave a couple years back ... "yea, that's my blood in the blood bank", but this is the first time I've done such a thing...that freakishly easy win in the Giro just two months before was clean" paraphrased of course.
In otherwords, I don't buy her story, but also I feel bad for her. She is in no way unique in this matter, and almost assuredly all the top runners are doing something wrong.
Liza has already admitted to NZAAA that she was "turned on to" Recormin (the EPO product) by a professional MALE runner at the 2009 All American City 10k in Edinburg, TX.
Hard-core LetsRunners may find the results of the men's race VERY INTERESTING.
Naturally I will provide a link to the results of that MENS race.
http://www.iaapweb.com/results/09/02_07_2009.htmThe All american race was Feb 7th, that means she went across the border then to get it at about 500 dollars a pop. Brought it home unbeknownst to her husband and stored it in the refrigerator that they share, as that is where it must be stored.
Then she didn't use it for 20 days. My first glance at the drug online said you have to inject it three times a day for the first week, then increase dosage x 3 a day then back down dosage.
It says not to store in bathroom or humid place. The first thing it says next to the drug is epo.
Her story doesn't match up. So I guess she bought it Feb 7th, started taking Feb 26 and so on and so forth.
Don't believe it at all. Would be grateful if she would just fess up to it all, from the beginning. Maybe this her first time on that drug of choice, but obviously there was something else before that.
Also she raced 3 times while using it. That is just cheating!!!!!!!!1
I know Liza has a lot of support from the people who know and love her but she lied. Liza didn't come clean and say I made a mistake. Liza lied all the way to the end. It is almost impossible to believe any part of her story once she lied the first time. How can we honestly believe she only used it three times when even purchasing the item was wrong to begin with. I don't believe Liza did it for the money. it seems as if she enjoyed the acceptance she received with each good performance. The people feeling sorry for Liza should think about the people behind her that trained their butts off to be cheated out of higher finishing positions. i know the woman was pressured but if we all resorted to cheating because of pressure this world would be more screwed than it is now. If the test came back negative for EPO I can't imagine Liza holding a press conference explaining to everyone how she cheated. I forgive Liza but it hurts more thinking she still could be lying about the details now! Just ask for forgiveness and move on with your life.
Look, if an unsophisticated soccer mom from the suburbs of San Antone can get her hands on EPO, how rampants is EPO and PED's generally on the US roadracing circuit????
Liza wouldn't have been tested if she didn't have connections to international racing.....if she had just stayed localized (within the US roadracing scene) she would have escaped scrutiny.
Eddy Helluybeck (sp) would have escaped scrutiny also if he hadn't made a run for the 2004 US Olympic marathon team.
What if Liza and Eddy are just the tip of the iceberg. Are there US roadracers out there who know how to manipulate the system....choose the MANY non-testing races.
Are US roadracers (who stay within the confines of the US roadracing circuit) subject to out-of-season surprise testing?
silly old fossil wrote:
Look, if an unsophisticated soccer mom from the suburbs of San Antone can get her hands on EPO, how rampants is EPO and PED's generally on the US roadracing circuit????
Liza wouldn't have been tested if she didn't have connections to international racing.....if she had just stayed localized (within the US roadracing scene) she would have escaped scrutiny.
Eddy Helluybeck (sp) would have escaped scrutiny also if he hadn't made a run for the 2004 US Olympic marathon team.
What if Liza and Eddy are just the tip of the iceberg. Are there US roadracers out there who know how to manipulate the system....choose the MANY non-testing races.
Are US roadracers (who stay within the confines of the US roadracing circuit) subject to out-of-season surprise testing?
This is the elephant in the room that no one wants to see...
The only reason Liza Hunter Galvan got caught, was because she was on some out of competition testing list, due to her Olympics and other international championship appearances.
For everyone else competing in those road races, how many would ever face testing in their life, let alone out of competition testing?
How many could afford $500 to drastically lower their PR's?