Wow, didn't realize I was replying to a four-year-old comment.
Still. What the cutoff time for "elite" or "sub-elite" is the most useless question you can ask, as a runner or a spectator. If you spend one minute wondering what the answer is, you've wasted a minute too much.
moloradocudstuffin wrote:
The Reader wrote:I would say yes to that. Elite are the people vying for medals at the games.
So guys like Brian Sell and Ritz (2:10 marathoners) are not elite marathoners? You're off your rocker.
Sub-elite, in my mind, is someone who can qualify (or at least come close to it) for a national level competition, but won't really ever be in the running.
mile 4:00-4:08
5k 13:50-14:20
10K 28:50-29:30
13.1 1:04-1:06
26.2 2:16-2:23
+1
At the national level
Elite>
USATF gives you a return ticket, three hots and a cot in a shared room for the National Champs meet.
Sub-Elite>
USATF lets you in the meet on your dime.
On the international level it's World Champs Q/q times.
IE when we see an AAb selection in an event for OG/WorldCh you are looking at two elites and a sub elite on the world stage.
running about in your knickers wrote:
At the national level
Elite>
USATF gives you a return ticket, three hots and a cot in a shared room for the National Champs meet.
Sub-Elite>
USATF lets you in the meet on your dime.
On the international level it's World Champs Q/q times.
IE when we see an AAb selection in an event for OG/WorldCh you are looking at two elites and a sub elite on the world stage.
Your time would have been better spent static stretching than writing this post.
krispy kremlin wrote:
In a sport like baseball, what would sub-elite be? AAA, AA, A?
I'll make an assumption and say that if you consider someone playing for a single-A team to be sub-elite in baseball and you applied that to track/roads, you'd have to open the door a little wider than 4:05/14:15/29:30/65/2:20.
You're onto something there. You have to be pretty good to play A ball. Comparing that possibly to another analogy, getting a DI full ride in football, basketball, or baseball.
For DI men coming out of high school, probably 4:15 1600, 9:10 3200 (although there are many schools that won't even look a kid who does that, while others will take 4:25/9:30 types).
So here it is, based on those criteria:
4:17 mile (say 4:00 1500)
14:30 5K
30:00 10K
1:08:00 HM
2:23 marathon
Looking at reality (what you see out there anymore, outside of college running), this is more like it:
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4:20
15:00
31:00
1:10
2:30
a 2:20 Marathon
Let me fix that wrote:[/
Looking at reality (what you see out there anymore, outside of college running), this is more like it:
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4:20
15:00
31:00
1:10
2:30
You would have been better off flushing 4 minutes of time down the metaphorical time toilet than writing this post.
Hardloper wrote:
You would have been better off flushing 4 minutes of time down the metaphorical time toilet than writing this post.[/quote]
And you are?
Moreover, by reading this thread and taking the time to make some snide comments is indicative that YOU are the tool here.
Marty Liquori actually had a pretty good breakdown in his training book, ca. 1980.
Elite (sub 31 10K/2:25 marathon)
Class A (31-33 min 10K/2:25-2:35 marathon)
Class B etc.