Gotta agree with those people asking who thinks Manzano isnt American... I didnt know anyone thought that
Gotta agree with those people asking who thinks Manzano isnt American... I didnt know anyone thought that
That's easy, if you bumped into FS at Walmart you would say excuse me. If you bumped into LM at Walmart you would ask him what aisle is the Mexican food in.
Alberto Salazar is a Mexican too and who cares.
The people suggesting Leo isn't an American are as small in number as those who wouldn't consider Shorter an American, but the internet provides them an outlet that Shorter bashers wouldn't have had access to.
sh wrote:
Alberto Salazar is a Mexican too and who cares.
Prolly does not matter to you but al sal is a white cuban aka spaniard.
American = White
In the same line of thinking, Obama =/= White, therefore Obama =/= American. This is what all that birth certificate crap is about.
This is also why you never heard anyone bitch about Colleen de Reuck being an American. Neither the bigots nor the non-bigots cared.
What I find REALLY interesting is that most everyone in the press, USA Today's Dick Patrick included, is parroting the line that Ritz is the fourth non-African to ever break 13 minutes (after Kennedy, Baumann and Mottram). Nevermind that Lagat did it twice while a US citizen; the very term "African-American" means he's both American and African at the same time.
But what about Moukhled Al-Outaibi? He ran 12:58.58 in 2005, and he's been a Saudi Arabian since birth. Not an African.
doo doo wrote:
Gotta agree with those people asking who thinks Manzano isnt American... I didnt know anyone thought that
You guys must be joking. You can find quite a few threads from people on here going off about how he isn't American. It tends to come up in the "Lagat isn't American" threads, usually someone else will mention Manzano/Lomong/others in the same boat.
jsquire wrote:
American = White
But what about Moukhled Al-Outaibi? He ran 12:58.58 in 2005, and he's been a Saudi Arabian since birth. Not an African.
=/= African = White as well
You are swimming upstream on this one...there are some people who believe that Shorter's & Salazar's situations are NOT like Manzano's, Lomong's
Its the same reason my grandfather stopped watching NBA basketball in the 70s...
jsquire wrote:
American = White
In the same line of thinking, Obama =/= White, therefore Obama =/= American. This is what all that birth certificate crap is about.
This is also why you never heard anyone bitch about Colleen de Reuck being an American. Neither the bigots nor the non-bigots cared.
What I find REALLY interesting is that most everyone in the press, USA Today's Dick Patrick included, is parroting the line that Ritz is the fourth non-African to ever break 13 minutes (after Kennedy, Baumann and Mottram). Nevermind that Lagat did it twice while a US citizen; the very term "African-American" means he's both American and African at the same time.
But what about Moukhled Al-Outaibi? He ran 12:58.58 in 2005, and he's been a Saudi Arabian since birth. Not an African.
African born, not non-African. Lagat was born in Africa.
mewtwo wrote:
Neither Shorter nor Manzano were born in the U.S, but both were raised in America and did all of their running here (unlike Lagat). Despite this, some say that Manzano is Mexican, while nobody would claim that Shorter is German and not American.
I'm not a big fan of Manzano, but why do some of you think he isn't an American? Is it because he isn't white?
And if that's the case, would you consider German Fernandez to be an American?
Asking this question only invites replies from the dumbasses who complained that "none of our 1500 runners at WCs are Americans" (although, reading this thread, it seems like those types have been mercifully silent this time). There is an obvious difference between Shorter and Manzano, that I'm sure the OP is aware of: Shorter was born to a military family stationed overseas at the time of his birth, while Manzano was born in Mexico to a family that was, well, Mexican. I'd bet, further, that the soil on which Shorter was literally born was legally American, a la John McCain being born in Panama. Given this difference, there are still those incredible people who apparently think that Manzano's having emigrated to the US at the age of four makes him somehow less American, but I kind of think they say this simply to get a rise out of others. It's so transparently stupid that I don't think anyone truly believes it.
joe mcblow wrote:I'd bet, further, that the soil on which Shorter was literally born was legally American, a la John McCain being born in Panama.
What does the status of the soil matter?
Shorter had at least one parent who was an American citizen and had lived in the US for a year, and the other is either a US citizen or a US National.
malmo wrote:
joe mcblow wrote:I'd bet, further, that the soil on which Shorter was literally born was legally American, a la John McCain being born in Panama.What does the status of the soil matter?
Shorter had at least one parent who was an American citizen and had lived in the US for a year, and the other is either a US citizen or a US National.
Soil doesn't matter when one parent is an American. I think he used that point to make it more clear to the OP, who is obviously stupid. The question about Shorter and McCain not being American has been raised several times in these boards.
MewTwo,
You're misleading people on purpose. Shorter was born an American citizen to American parents who happened to be in Germany. He wasn't born to German parents as you insinuate.
Staffs.
i hate leo manzano becasuse in 2 championship meets, he has gone out by not being able to hold the pace
I think you are making up a controversy where there is none.
I haven't heard anyone questioning his "Americaness".
The only time I hear it is in the case of Legat, KK, or any other athlete that starts their career in one country and then changes their citizenship.
Face it, the only reason this comes up, and comes up now and then, is because this country still has a number of people who are very bigoted. They are hopefully a dying breed, but they continue to show their ignorance.
The only beef that anyone could have against is Lagat, who lied about his American citizenship so that he could personally enrich himself by running for Kenya in 2004.
Manzano and Lomong are proud to be Americans, and we should all be proud of them.
Blowing.Rock Master wrote:
What's this guys ethnicity? Looks Mexican to me.
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/fsu/sports/c-track/auto_action/209099.jpeg
WTF?
The point is you can't tell anything about a person based on the amount of melanin in his skin. Idiots on here have been saying Manzano can't be American because he looks Mexican. How does that determine his nationality? The guy in the picture, Tom Lancashire, also looks Mexican (he could be Alejandro Cruz's twin). But he a born and bred Brit! A person's physical appearance doesn't mean squat.
easy, shorter is white.
