Flotrack / Hansons Love Fest

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None of the current Hansons guys will even sniff 2:10. The one poster was right. Their diamond in the rough was Sell and they really dont have anybody else.

"Kyle knew he was done, or why would he not stay there if he was improving so much? Isn't that the point of the program and why he signed up? Obviously he couldn't make it with the Group, so how can he do it on his own? I mean wasn't that the point of signing on with them in the first place. Not gonna happen. Yeah, he's a nice guy, a real nice guy. I talked to him often at the Hall Road store, but that has nothing to do with his end results."

There were several factors leading to my decision to leave the team, and I can assure you that none of them were even remotely close to this post from "The Voice of Reason". I'm not quite done yet, just moving on. Will I ever run faster than my current, modest, marathon PR? I don't know, but I'm going to keep trying because I truly believe that I can. I can say for sure that I am running healthier and happier, physically and psychologically, than I have in years, so I'm pretty satisfied with the move.

If anybody cares to get any more answers about myself or the program, message boards really aren't the place to do it. I'm easy enough to get ahold of and I can promise I'll tell it like it is. Lets leave the gossip to the opinionated "insiders" like Voice of Reason. That's all you will hear from me on here, feel free to get back to ripping apart me and my former teammates.

If this is the real Kyle, then you are an idiot to respond. I have a feeling that it is someone just trying to stir up trouble.

Kyle has run 2:15 and been the 3rd man on a 4th place mens marathon team at the WC. How many of us can say that? If Kyle never runs another step he has been successful in the sport. Was he a 28:00 college guy? Hell no. Why wasn't Cabada a scorer? Because Kyle beat him. Why wasn't Carney or Fasil or Hartmann or Torres on the team? Because none of them have run as fast as Kyle for the marathon.

For those idiots that think that if you don't make an Olympic Team, then you are useless. Tell that to Greg Meyer or Dick Beardsley or Patti Dillon or................

7 months through the year and only 12 Americans have run under 2:20. How many are Hansons-Brooks Athletes?

ONLY 4. THAT IS ONLY 25%. WHEN ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE? I believe that is about the same percentage as the Olympic Trials top 20.

Year 2009 Performances- Marathon Road

USA Men

2:09:21 ( 9) Mebrahtom Keflezighi (CA) 05 May 1975 26 Apr 2009 London ENG

2:09:40 a ( 3) Ryan Hall (CA) 14 Oct 1982 20 Apr 2009 Boston MA USA

2:10:00 (11) Dathan Ritzenhein (OR) 30 Dec 1982 26 Apr 2009 London ENG

2:16:31 a (14) Brian Sell (MI) 11 Apr 1978 20 Apr 2009 Boston MA USA

2:17:05 a (15) Patrick Rizzo (MI) 25 Jul 1983 20 Apr 2009 Boston MA USA

2:18:42 ( 1) Matthew Hooley (WI) 27 Jun 1982 03 May 2009 Eugene OR USA

2:18:48 a (16) Lucas Humphrey (MI) 10 Apr 1981 20 Apr 2009 Boston MA USA

2:18:50 a (23) Justin Young (CO) 25 Jul 1979 22 Mar 2009 Tokyo JPN

2:19:22 a (17) Sergio Reyes (CA) 25 Oct 1981 20 Apr 2009 Boston MA USA

2:19:31 ( 1) John Crews (NC) 1984 24 May 2009 Burlington VT USA

10

2:19:37 a ( 8) Nicholas Stanko (MI) 16 Feb 1981 18 Jan 2009 Tempe AZ USA

2:19:55 a (18) Todd Snyder (MI) 23 May 1977 20 Apr 2009 Boston MA USA

since when is 2:20 a standard,

your rating should be what americans were sub 2:12.

higher standards, expect more from your country.

Cell is good enough to warrant any amount of love toward the Hansons

Mmmmm Bob

Tough crowd when even your supporters are calling you an idiot.

Actually 4 of 12 is 33%. So 1/3 of our best dozen performances this year has been from the same group, sounds pretty good to me.

If you can't take constructive criticism, go live in a box Kyle. No one is above it, not you or me or anyone on this site. You're not God Kyle, you're just a runner. This is a message board. You post here, but only when you want to say that you work your a$$ off (remember that post), as if you're the only one working hard. No one is ripping you apart or your former teammates, that's total bull Kyle. They are stating their opinions based off facts (time with the program and pr's). You like saying you are being ripped apart to make others feel sorry for you. They are stating their opinion, just like you have assuredly stated yours many times in your life.

Do you believe your thoughts are universal? So you're going to keep on trying, newsflash, we all do that, everyone on this board who runs. Belief and reality are 2 different things. You've talked about the importance of a group, yet you say you are now running healthier and happier, physically and psychologically that you have in years. SAY WHAT? You won't run faster on your own if you couldn't do it with a group pulling you along. You know that Kyle. Is it impossible, no, but not very probable. If so, we're all ears. Basically, because you had some poor races as of late, you're moving on. But if you had run faster and showed real improvement, would you still be there? You know that answer Kyle as do many others. If you were running 2:11, I doubt you would have moved on.

I can't speak for others, but I stated you are a 2:15 marathoner, and that's what you are. I also said there's nothing wrong with that, but you didn't quote that did ya? Your name was mentioned how many times in my post....that's what I thought. You're making a point of posting when the whole Hanson program was being discussed, not you.....people do that on boards Kyle, wake up! I'm not a Hanson Hater and I don't care if you believe me or not Kyle. I'm engaged to be married and my life and future wife are more important than your comments towards me or anything that you say. If you had only been more honest with your post.......

The reality is there are currently a bunch of 2:15 marathoners, a few that have been there for awhile. Guess what, that means you're 2:15 marathoners, no one called you 2:24 marathoners. If you are a 2:13 marathoner, please correct me. I can't speak for other posts, but I spoke the truth and you called me an opinionated "insider". Well I find you an elite wanna be who couldn't make the cut so you are arrogantly lashing out at others for stating facts. Don't blame others for your short comings, at least you made a road side billboard. As far as working harder, not a chance! You work no harder or try no harder than I do, you just have more of a gift that allows you to get to the finish line faster, but not with more effort. That's all you'll hear from me on here also, even if you don't care Kyle.

p.s. Why do you think anyone would care to get ahold of you? Do you think that highly of yourself? And yes, I am the voice of reason, if you had run faster, you'd still be there. I remember Brian leaving when he broke 2:11 the first time.....oh that's right, he stayed and made the Olympics!!!!!!!

I wouldn't say 4 out of 12 is good, when none of them are under 2:16.

That list isn't even accurate. Where's Christopher Raabe with his 2:15?

Sorry, I had to respond and this IS my last post on this one. Who called anyone useless for not making the Olympic Team? Greg Meyer won Boston in 2:09:00. Dick Beardsley broke 2:09 in the heat at Boston in 82. Are you serious with your post? If any Hanson runner ran 2:15 repeatedly and then suddenly ran 2:09 at Boston and won, but didn't make the Olympic Team, DO YOU THINK THEY WOULD BE USELESS or LOOK UPON AS A FAILURE? I don't, and never said any such thing. The goal is the Olympics, for a lot of runners, not just the Hansons. Unfortunately, top 3 every 4 years is pretty tough. But running and winning Boston in 2:09 would rank right up there. Dude, that was an awful comparison and no, this is not someone just trying to stir up trouble. I call it as I see and happened to post my thoughts, like everyone else whether they agree or disagree.

As far as those WC teams, give me a break. Those aren't our top marathoners and you have to know that. Why did you not see Ryan, Dathan, Abdi, etc...MONEY!!!!! I never said Kyle couldn't run with some of those runners, but so what, they aren't in Brian's league now are they? Greg and Dick were outstanding runners in their times, and not one Hanson runner in 10 plus years has come remotely close to their pr's. Why?

The Voice of Reason wrote:

In the long run, National Class will get you what? What is David Jankowski going to end up doing? Anybody? Anybody? Anybody? Winning the trials with a current pr of 28:51, set 3 years ago? I don't think so. If he doesn't get under 28 soon, it won't happen, meaning he doesn't have the ability. With a 5k pr of 14:11, please explain how he'll do that?

You have no friging clue what you are talking about, if you did you wouldn't quote his 5k pr of 14:11, or a false 10k pr....where were you this year when he ran 28:34 THIS YEAR? Do you honestly think his 5k pr holds only water anymore since he averaged 14:17 back to back? Not to mention he's gone 14:09 on the roads taking 5th at the 5k US road champs last year.

He may not be a world beater or one of the best in the US, but he made huge strides this year going 28:34. I have respect for a guy who puts the work in and drops that kind of time.

Whole truths. Times don't lie. I won't respond to the rest your post for it's true ignorance. I get my ideology from myself, not you reading yours from Runner's World. Being anonymous or not has nothing to do with what was said, but apparently it does to you. I'll be reporting your post for profanity.

Good for him. I hope he breaks 28:00. If he does, as I said, he'll have a chance. Dropping 34 seconds at his level is not easy and I know about his road 5k. Your point? He dropped 16 seconds in 3 years and I hope he drops more. As I stated, he will have to really get down there and I'm not a Hanson Hater. So there was a race that he improved and I wasn't aware of it. So what? If he had run 28:00, I'd have heard about it. Admiring him for his hard work is great, nobody said he didn't work hard.

To the guy who said I'll bite, I'll bite back. I just saw your post on the bottom of page one (I work) and I'll contact you on the weekend. You can put your cell number in your email and pick a race, if you're legit. Since you opened your mouth, understand that there will be compensation involved in this race since you're so good! If you can't at least run 5:43 for 26.2, (2:30), quit while you're behind. I'll be prepared for your excuses. And yes, this is my last post, 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!! The mods can confirm it.

You made that promise 3 posts ago.

I reported you too. Your posts are childess and have no meaning other than to show your IQ.

thanks. do you know who voice of reason is? I do and he knows it. trust me, he does not want to be exposed.