stupiderer wrote:
Do not start to build genetic explanations on the very slim basis of a quarter of a second difference between extreme outliers in an event contested by fractions of the populace . . . .
Why not? It seems like a pretty reasonable place to start, especially since we have ready access to the "extreme outliners" in a number of different countries. I suppose you could look at the less extreme outliners, like the fastest kids in various high schools scattered around the U.S., Canada, or Great Britain, but looking at the cream of the crop from around the world -- say, the top 100 in a given event -- would seem to provide some pretty useful information.
let's exclude Woronin and Mennea as the were likely doping.
and that sets them apart how?
Matt Shirvington 10.03 -0.1
Valeri Borzov 10.07 0.0
I read somewhere he aslo had a 10 flat - probably hand timed
Borzov was the best I've seen and actually won something, him put in on the fast today track today & he'd be under 10
There are probably some others around these times
10.00 2.0 Marian Woronin POL
bolt is doped like all athletes at the very top.
marijuologist wrote:
Pickering's run was wind aided
Eurosport showed the official results and the wind was 2.1.
Shirvington is not likely a doper.
Cause he aint American? wrote:
marijuologist wrote:Pickering's run was wind aided
Eurosport showed the official results and the wind was 2.1.
Wind-aided
A term applied to times or distances (in the 100m, 200m, high hurdles, and horizontal jumps) that are achieved with the help of tail wind stronger than 2 meters per second (4.5 mph); wind-aided results are discounted for record purposes.
~ from nbcolympics.com
3200guy wrote:
I think Johnson is half white and half aborigine.
So what? Did the white half run slower than 9.93?
stupiderer wrote:
Armin Hary's 10.0 would be 10.24 with the hand to auto conversion, right?
.24 is the margin of error applied to hand times. It means he ran between 9.76 and 10.24.
No it means between 10.00 and 10.24. There is no realistic chance of automatic time being faster than hand time.
According to who? If done correctly there's no reason a hand time can't closely approximate an auto time. The convention may be to add .24, but that doesn't mean the original hand time was actually off by too much (or even fast). I'll agree it's highly unlikely that Hary ran 9.76, but for all we know he ran 9.99.
Blowing Rock Master wrote:
According to who? If done correctly there's no reason a hand time can't closely approximate an auto time. The convention may be to add .24, but that doesn't mean the original hand time was actually off by too much (or even fast). I'll agree it's highly unlikely that Hary ran 9.76, but for all we know he ran 9.99.
It's added because the hand-timer REACTS to the gun but ANTICIPATES the line. So they're basically dead-on with clicking the button when the athlete crosses the finish line, but for starting the watch they have to see the smoke, register in their brains that it's time to click the button, and then actually click it, a process that takes about .24 seconds.
You just gave an example of incorrect hand timing. In that case you would add the .24. There's no anticipating when done correctly, so no need to add the .24. Of course it's impossible to know what happened in Hary's case (or anyone else with a hand time), but that still doesn't mean the time was really fast by .24.
Borzov, Wells and Mennea are the fastest white guys ever.
It's interesting that white men are only particularly bad at the 100m. In the 60m and the 200m they have run times that convert to sub-ten in the 100m and then there's Wariner in the 400m.
I think it amazing how these conversations go about white sprinters. Lets look at some truths.
On average black sprinters do run faster at the elite level.
White people at youth level are moved out speed positions in all sports because it is assumed that they can't compete with black athletes. For America this instantly limits the kids. Think of it as segratgation against white based on racist views but in sports.
Also, there are lots of competitive whites in the 60meter dash. Not only internationally but in the US. Why are they not in the 100 but in the 60, 200, and of course 400? A question I think we need to look into more.
Black domination has hurt track and field. Not in sprinting but the lack of a Euro Distance runners. I believe you can connect the absolute dominance of East Africans and steriod abuse with the fall of this sports popularity.
If you dont believe me about the above mentioned part just look at this website and how people go crazy for white runners.
Usian Bolt is an extreme talent and is the fastest youth runner ever in the 200 dash. If ever there was someone who could do this witout PEDS its him!
The big joke in the 80s is that American's acted as if our great black sprinters were clean! Guys that is not true.
Craig Pickering is FAST and if anyone is going to go below 10 as a white guy its him. He was fast as youngster just like Bolt. The big disadvantage he has is not the color of his skin but his height.
"White people at youth level are moved out speed positions in all sports because it is assumed that they can't compete with black athletes. For America this instantly limits the kids. Think of it as segratgation against white based on racist views but in sports."
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Thats not even close to true.
Every HS football team I ever knew (I played at a huge public HS) lines up players and runs them. All players get their 40s timed. This is how its done every where. This typically seperates players right there. No HS or College coach will pick kids position by race only. Thats bs. A 5.2 black guy is not going to start at corner over a 4.4 white guy. Coaches want to win.
Track is the same.
I played, at all levels, helped get kids recruited, and have coached at the high school and college level. You sir are incorrect. The are totally moved to positions that are considered whites only and blacks only. In fact in when a white kid runs a fast 40 in might be there only saving grace.