Rupp last 1600 better than fernandez all out 1500

Did anyone watch the first 3400m of Galen's race? It was at a much slower pace than what Galen can run for 10k. A very aerobically strong runner is bound to run the last mile close to his PR off such a pace. Remember Solinsky a few years ago? He did almost the exact same thing his Jr. year. Kicked the last 1600 in 4:01.0. Chris ran basically 4 60s while Rupp went 2:05/1:55, and he let up the last 15 meters or so, so he probably could have kicked home in 3:56. What he did and what he could have done are both fantastic, but you guys are acting like it's the most incredible thing ever done in distance running. Quit sucking the guy's dick!

Here is a small example of what I am talking about. When I was a sophomore in high school I was pacing a freshman in a 5K for the first two miles, basically just doing a workout. I could run about 17:00 for an XC 5K at that point, but I was running 6:10-ish pace for the first two miles. My coach told me I could try to catch the leaders if I wanted in the last mile, and I ended up running 6:10, 6:10, 4:51 when my 1600 PR was 4:42 on a track.

How fast you close means NOTHING in a slow race. The first two miles of that 5K were essentially warm-up for Rupp. That's why I'm not impressed when Bekele closes in 53 off a slow pace in the 10K at the olympics. He has expended very little energy running 27:30 pace for the first 24 laps. So what if he steam rolls the 25th?

both were amazing. however-

if rupp ran the 1500, i would give german the advantage, despite how fast rupp closed in both the 5k and 10k.

if german ran the 5k he could have finished close to rupp in atactical affair. if it were an honest pace, rupp beats him handily.

in the 10k, rupp cleans the floor with him.

rupps a 10k/marathon guy(eventually haha). right now german is a 1500 specialist, so it wouldnt surprise me if he beat rupp. go up in distance and rupphas the advantages.

hows that sound?

Guppy, let me get this straight. You're not impressed by the finishing speed of Rupp and Bekele simply because they're so much better than everyone else, and thus not as tired near the end of the race? Isn't that the whole point? No one here is suggesting Rupp could have finished as fast off a quicker pace, but no matter the pace, Rupp was for sure going to finish faster than everyone else. That's what makes it so impressive. Same with Bekele. (And for the record, I'm pretty sure Bekele closed his WR in around 52-54, so you're argument about the slower pace being the factor isn't true in his case).

Sorry my post was a reply to Hallo, not Guppy.

lol!

Xmas tree heaven wrote:

I really hope he can beat the odds and improve like Galen has someday.

You mean not win a national title till his fifth year of college? I think its already too late for German to do that.

I will bite wrote:

There is no guarantee of "potential". Rupp ran a 4:01 mile as a high schooler, German ran a 4:00 1600. About the same. Rupp ran 28:15 as a freshman in college, mostly alone. German ran 3:55 indoors, all alone.

This comparison really puts things in perspective. Rupp ran 4:01 after being coached by Salazar for 3 years. German ran 4:00 after running seriously for 9 months. German's 3:55 was only bettered by 2 other American's in 2008 OUTDOORS! Meanwhile, fourteen Americans ran faster than 28:15 in 2008.

I'll tell you what, if Herman wins 6 title races his senior year, we'll call him equal to Rupp.

You will swallow wrote:

I will bite wrote:

There is no guarantee of "potential". Rupp ran a 4:01 mile as a high schooler, German ran a 4:00 1600. About the same. Rupp ran 28:15 as a freshman in college, mostly alone. German ran 3:55 indoors, all alone.

This comparison really puts things in perspective. Rupp ran 4:01 after being coached by Salazar for 3 years. German ran 4:00 after running seriously for 9 months. German's 3:55 was only bettered by 2 other American's in 2008 OUTDOORS! Meanwhile, fourteen Americans ran faster than 28:15 in 2008.

Rupp was as fresh as German when he started his 'mile', maybe even fresher as his warm up was right up to the start.. a rolling start..

But that means he'd end up having like 13 titles overall, in which case, it's not equal at all. And are we talking about 5th year (like Galen), or true senior year?

Not to mention, German could likely have a few more NCAA records by then (including a couple that Galen currently holds), soooo...

"I'll tell you what, if Herman wins 6 title races his senior year, we'll call him equal to Rupp."

Hello People wrote:

I'm pretty sure Bekele closed his WR in around 52-54

I think the usual last laps of his 5 and 10 records were 59 to 61 seconds. Geb's records are always very even pacing, including the last lap. He is a master of pacing.

Record races are typically very even pacing and do not have a big kick at the end of them.

But Rupp was a pussy so we'll never find out.

masterer wrote: but Rupp is as of this meet on another planet.

That planet is called Almost Kenya!

J.R. wrote:

Hello People wrote:

I'm pretty sure Bekele closed his WR in around 52-54

I think the usual last laps of his 5 and 10 records were 59 to 61 seconds. Geb's records are always very even pacing, including the last lap. He is a master of pacing.

Record races are typically very even pacing and do not have a big kick at the end of them.

I said Bekele, not Geb. And as it turns out, we were both wrong. Bekele's last lap of his 10k WR was 57.09.

He the other laps anywhere from 61-64.

You will swallow wrote:

I will bite wrote:

There is no guarantee of "potential". Rupp ran a 4:01 mile as a high schooler, German ran a 4:00 1600. About the same. Rupp ran 28:15 as a freshman in college, mostly alone. German ran 3:55 indoors, all alone.

This comparison really puts things in perspective. Rupp ran 4:01 after being coached by Salazar for 3 years. German ran 4:00 after running seriously for 9 months. German's 3:55 was only bettered by 2 other American's in 2008 OUTDOORS! Meanwhile, fourteen Americans ran faster than 28:15 in 2008.

I am assuming you are not factoring in 1500's, since the mile is run only slightly more than the 6 miler, where as the 1500 and 10K are run quite frequently. German ends outdoors with 3:39 and he ran more 1500's than rupp ran 10K's as a freshman.

A few years ago, I raved when Solinsky won NCAA's in a 5K and finished in 4:01. Everyone's reply is below. Why so different now??

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&id=1396596&thread=1396096

Yet, Boit was only two seconds behind

Lasse viren ran a lot of 1500's around 3:43, then closed in 4 minutes in his 13:26 at the Olympics and had a best time of 13:13 which was the world record at the time.

hall ran 3:43 last weekend, which is a sub 4:00 1600m equivelant... saying that they closed in 4:01 doesnt carry much weight.

4:00 1600 is nothing crazy for these guys

he closed in 4.01 for the last 1600... not even a 4min 1600, so we're looking at best at a 4.03ish last mile, off what was realisticly a very slow pace

So what you're saying is this forum was full of d-bags even a few years back?

ttc wrote:

A few years ago, I raved when Solinsky won NCAA's in a 5K and finished in 4:01. Everyone's reply is below. Why so different now??

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&id=1396596&thread=1396096

Yet, Boit was only two seconds behind

Lasse viren ran a lot of 1500's around 3:43, then closed in 4 minutes in his 13:26 at the Olympics and had a best time of 13:13 which was the world record at the time.

hall ran 3:43 last weekend, which is a sub 4:00 1600m equivelant... saying that they closed in 4:01 doesnt carry much weight.

4:00 1600 is nothing crazy for these guys

he closed in 4.01 for the last 1600... not even a 4min 1600, so we're looking at best at a 4.03ish last mile, off what was realisticly a very slow pace

Funny stuff, it never ends on this board. Solinsky had a very solid early season 3K at PRE. I'm sure this has been mentioned but a couple things that make rupps even more impressive:

*Rupp went faster despite only running 700 of it hard

*Rupps was done off of faster pace, also not sure where solinsky ran but it was very hot and humid in Arkansas. Maybe it was for Solinsky as well.

*Rupp did this the day after running 15K, all of which was run at faster 5K pace than solinsky won in. People trying to downplay that workload simply because Rupp is good are extremely detatched from the sport.

*Rupp was carrying a pretty heavy team burden during the meet.

*Rupp started the race with a shoe problem and was able to stop, get on a knee and fix it, catch up after the surge and still conserve enough energy to finish that way. A lot of us, even the fast ones would have wasted a lot of gas just from emotions if this happened.

At least for me, and people I've spoken with it's really all those factors and the fact that he could have gone several seconds faster that makes it so remarkable.

What's interesting is that someone posted that Solinsky went on to hit 13:12, 7:36 & 3:36 that summer. Gives you a conservative indication of what kind of shape Rupp is looking at.