USATF Men's "Standard" - Are we going to have 50+ athletes in each event?!!

Ok, so we make the standard and we're in the meet.

But has anybody heard of any sort of new format for rounds or heats or something?

I mean, like the OP says, we are seeing double or more the size of fields that previous years had.

That one poster's comment on the two heats of 10k sounds like a terrible idea, but one that wouldn't be surprising knowing USATF's standard logic.

So, how many of these guys do you think will actually enter AND show up for the race?

27:16.99 Abdi Abdirahman

27:36.99 Galen Rupp

27:46.33 Jorge Torres

27:48.06 Scotty Bauhs

27:50.48 Fasil Bizuneh

27:52.10 Ed Moran

27:54.41 Josh Rohatinsky

27:58.81 Jim Carney

27:59.31 Adam Goucher

28:03.72 Sean Quigley

28:05.31 Dathan Ritzenhein

28:05.49 Dan Browne

28:06.74 Bobby Curtis

28:16.47 Ian Dobson

28:19.48 Matt Downin

28:20.57 Michael Kilburg

28:21.42 Stephen Haas

28:22.25 Josh Simpson

28:23.09 Westly Keating

28:25.56 Seth Pilkington

28:26.61 Louis Luchini

28:26.75 Matt Withrow

28:27.79 Brett Gotcher

28:28.44 Meb Keflezighi

28:28.52 John Moore

28:29.95 Tim Nelson

28:29.96 Joe Driscoll

28:31.08 Josh Moen

28:31.33 James Strang

28:31.37 Rob Koborsi

28:33.08 Jeremy Johnson

28:33.25 Daniel Kanyaruhuru

28:33.89 Ed Torres

28:34.19 Mohamed Khadraoui

28:35.01 Sergio Reyes

28:35.36 Forest Braden

28:41.96 Mike Eaton

28:43.87 Jon Pierce

28:49.77 Matt Clark

28:49.96 Chris Pannone

28:50.87 Hari Mix

28:51.96 Dan Nunn

28:53.09 Celedonio Rodriguez

28:54.54 Jeff Gaudette

28:55.68 David Jankowski

28:55.85 Tristan Colangelo

28:56.05 Jake Schmitt

28:58.48 Ryan Sheehan

29:00.12 Christian Wagner

29:00.47 Antonio Vega

that list is outdated and should even include more names from this year.

Mike in LA wrote:

The entire note regarding adjustment of standards reads as follows:

The Sport Committee Chair may adjust the standards, where necessary, forty-five days prior to the competition, based on received entries at that time. Therefore, early submission of an entry close to the standards is advised.

Meeting the standard DOES guarantee you entry. If I run a 28:58 today and submit the time tomorrow I am in. 45 days before they may see that they have a large field and adjust the standard to 28:45. Everyone who has previously submitted times under the 29:01 standard are still in. If my friend ran the same race as me and ran a 28:47 but doesn't submit it before 45 days prior, he's out of luck, as is anyone else who happens to run 28:47 after the standard is adjusted.

So I know this is a GROSS exaggeration, but the logic that is presented in the note above does not make sense...at least to me. So let's say I run 3:44.99 and enter today. If they decide to change THE STANDARD tomorrow to 3:35.00, I'm still in, but others, who may have already run 3:36 or 3:37 but just didn't enter yet, are out?? Doesn't make sense to me.

Now obviously 3:35 is more an A standard and they would also have a B standard in such a case (probably?), but this situation could possible occur (albeit not in such an extreme case).

At the very least, these guys that are trying to represent the US at the World Championships are going to be subjected to more rounds if they take a bunch of 3:44.99 guys.

here's the 78 I came up with so far, in the 10k

Abdi Abdirahman

Adam Goucher

Ahmed Osman

Andrew Carlson

Anthony Famiglietti

Antonio Vega

Bobby Curtis

Brett Gotcher

Carlos Trujillo

Celedonio Rodriguez

Charlie Serrano

Chris Barnicle

Chris Pannone

Christian Wagner

Dan Browne

Dan Nunn

Daniel Gonia

Daniel Kanyaruhuru

Danny Mercado

Dathan Ritzenhein

David Jankowski

Diego Estrada

Diego Mercado

Ed Moran

Ed Torres

Fasil Bizuneh

Fernando Cabada

Forest Braden

Galen Rupp

Hari Mix

Ian Burrell

Ian Dobson

Jake Riley

Jake Schmitt

James Strang

Jeff Gaudette

Jeff Schirmer

Jeremy Johnson

Jesse Cherry

Jim Carney

Joe Driscoll

John Moore

Jon Pierce

Jonathan Grey

Jordan Kyle

Jorge Torres

Josh Moen

Josh Rohatinsky

Josh Simpson

Kiel Uhl

Louis Luchini

Lucas Meyer

Luke Puskedra

Matt Clark

Matt Downin

Matt Gabrielson

Matt Withrow

Meb Keflezighi

Michael Kilburg

Michael Krisch

Mike Eaton

Mike Sayenko

Mohamed Khadraoui

Patrick Smyth

Rob Koborsi

Ryan Sheehan

Ryan Sheridan

Scotty Bauhs

Sean Houseworth

Sean Quigley

Sergio Reyes

Seth Pilkington

Stephan Shay

Stephen Haas

Tim Nelson

Tristan Colangelo

Westly Keating

Yosef Ghebray

The qualifying period begins after the 1st day of last year's Olympic Trials. So that eliminates a number of athletes you have listed here.

It eliminates a number...but not that many. Probably 10-15...20 max?

Actually, the 10k qualifiers can be from Jan 08.... different standard than the other races. As long as it was run in 2008 or 2009, 10k times are good. Sooooo many people!

So, should athletes enter immediately before the committee decides to change the standard?

Standard %off the wr

100m 10.35 * 6.8%

200m 20.88 * 8.1%

400m 46.50 * 7.7%

800m 1:48.45 * 7.3%

1,500m 3:45.00** 9.2%

Mile 4:00.00** 7.5%

5,000m 13:52.00** 9.9%

10,000m 29:01.00** 10.4%

20 km Race Walk 1:36:00** who cares

3,000m Steeplechase 8:45.50** 11.1%

The distance standards should be

800-sub 1:47

1500-sub 3:40

5000-sub 13:30

10000-sub 28:00

steeple-sub 8:35

marathon-sub 2:16

The current standards are rediculously weak. If you are over 10% above the wr, you don't deserve to be at the national championships.

Why is there an A and B for women,and only one standard for men? and why is the womans standard so close together!? They might as well only have one with how close they are.

Good question

competition is not limited wrote:

Example:

Mens 10k has 29:00 qualifying time and a field size of 18.

They will run 2 heats (timed final) with the 18 fastest in the first heat. They will only count the fast heat. Meaning if the 19th seeded time runs faster than the winning time in the "seeded" heat it will NOT have anything to do with the official results.

A timed final is one with multiple heats, with "timed" meaning that all heats are compiled and compared on the basis of time, regardless of heat numbers.

What you described is a final with a consolation race for people who didn't qualify for the national championships.

and the season aint over, doesn't derrick for example have yet to run a 10K?

Looking at the meet schedule, they don't allow time for a "timed final" involving multiple heats..... looks like field size will be equivalent to the ones outlined for the women.

C'mon, it is the US championships, not the olympics. your "should be" standards don't need to be imposed. Besides you would be the first to gripe if you could even sniff 13:31

Bump

From the OP's link:

USATF wrote:

On May 21st, an adjustment to the qualifying standards for the men's triple jump and men's high jump for the U.S. Senior Championships, was posted on the USATF web-site. However, this action took place inside the required 45-day window that is called for in USATF procedures governing the National Championships.

Consequently, this revision is being rescinded - with the standards returning to those approved at the USATF Annual Meeting and posted originally on the USATF National Championships web-site. The standards will revert to: 15.44 meters in the men's triple jump and 2.16 meters in the men's high jump.

Now they are just messing with people on purpose...

This is the U.S. Championships. It is an "open" meet. It is not an elite European invitational. The standards are fine. Some of the people competing here may not be at the top level yet, but part of getting there is to experience this meet, so that when they are at that point, they are not showing up for this meet for the first time.

What the hell is wrong with the Sports Committe and with CEO Logan? A few months ago, they make recommendations and bellicose proclamations about how they are going to shorten the next Olympic Trials allowing for smaller fields in order to help the athletes. Now, they come out with this exactly opposite plan for the USATF World Game trials. This is the kind of bs that shows USATF for what they are, a bunch of mindless politicos.