Zoila Gomez
Zoila Gomez
Because she was born in Mexico.
old ndn runna wrote:
have your students follow the exploits of German Fernandez, he is a young runner they can identify with
Depends if they are Mayan/Aztec "Mexicans," or "whitey" Spanish European types like Fernandez, Torres, Salazar, etc. Ah, the irony of these whitey "Mexican-American" political groups trying to reclaim the Southwest USA based on its being "Atzlan."
fly like an eagle wrote:
i can't believe no one's mentioned Billy Mills... and he now travels around the country talking about tolerance.
Ever think of reading the thread? HMMMM???
You can't make simplistic assumption like you just did. I'm Mexican-American and about 1/2 Mayan, and 1/2 European (mostly English). I look like a whitey European with some Italian mixed in, but my brother looks like a dark Mexican/Mayan. In your opinion, based on your limited knowledge, I'm a "whitey" Mexican and my brother is a "real" Mexican. Your light bulb is a dim one, indeed.
wushjs wrote:
Depends if they are Mayan/Aztec "Mexicans," or "whitey" Spanish European types like Fernandez, Torres, Salazar, etc. Ah, the irony of these whitey "Mexican-American" political groups trying to reclaim the Southwest USA based on its being "Atzlan."
Arturo Barrios -
Mexican dude from 80s and 90s. He was also a world record holder in the 10k at 27:08. He was also the first to run a half-marathon in under an hour.
David Galvan -
is a contemporary Mexican runner. He's run sub-4 and 13:12 and 27:33 (at 34 years of age mind you).
wushjs wrote:
Depends if they are Mayan/Aztec "Mexicans," or "whitey" Spanish European types like Fernandez, Torres, Salazar, etc.
Yeah dude, I hate when German-Americans try to clump themselves together with English-Americans. Their experiences are soooooo different. I saw some Americans cheering for Michael Phelps and I was like, "Yo, unless you have ancestors from England, you have no connection to him."
And I doubt that Fernandez, Torres, Salazar have ever been called "whitey". Just like Obama has never been called "whitey". Society always has and always will recognize him as black.
Danny Lopez? Made the team in the steeplechase in 1992.
9/10
I have a good one. A.J. Acosta.
Dan O'Brein...Finnish/ African America. and adopted
1x Olympic gold
3x WC gold
[quote]look at me more wrote:
Arturo Barrios -
Mexican dude from 80s and 90s. quote]
Not American born as OP requested. Became American in 1994.
yes that is logical thinking. the posters on letsrun follow this creed.
just look at the press rupp and hall get on the frontpage/message board of letsrun. great runners time trialist but haven't made an impact like meb.
meb is running london and he gets no coverage. no respect for a silver medalist.
Master of the Obvious wrote:
If most of your students are Mexican Americans, then they are not minorities.
To truly inspire them, you should consider introducing them to the backgrounds of Top Runners, regardless of their place of birth, socio-econimic status or geneological origin.
Yeah because as a Mexican-American I have always been considered by everybody as an American and NEVER-EVER a minority. Right.
Russell Brown
Stupid logic wrote:
wushjs wrote:Depends if they are Mayan/Aztec "Mexicans," or "whitey" Spanish European types like Fernandez, Torres, Salazar, etc.
Yeah dude, I hate when German-Americans try to clump themselves together with English-Americans. Their experiences are soooooo different. I saw some Americans cheering for Michael Phelps and I was like, "Yo, unless you have ancestors from England, you have no connection to him."
And I doubt that Fernandez, Torres, Salazar have ever been called "whitey". Just like Obama has never been called "whitey". Society always has and always will recognize him as black.
A hispanic woman I know calls her green-eyed son "cracker". His father is named "Hernandez" but is light skinned and more European looking than his mother who is brown and dark eyed. But this just goes to show that minorities don't have a problem making racial comments among themselves, but God forbid if whites say anything like that to them.
[quote]Euro-Mexi-Can wrote:
You can't make simplistic assumption like you just did. I'm Mexican-American and about 1/2 Mayan, and 1/2 European (mostly English). I look like a whitey European with some Italian mixed in, but my brother looks like a dark Mexican/Mayan. In your opinion, based on your limited knowledge, I'm a "whitey" Mexican and my brother is a "real" Mexican. Your light bulb is a dim one, indeed.
my situation is kind of like yours but remember one thing : your MEXICAN AMERICAN. Of course, most Mexicans are mestizo and have some European blood down the line. your brother is just as european as you are and you are just as Indian as he is. its in the genes you share, they were just expressed differently during your development.
i probably have some European ancestors as well, about 140 yrs ago from France but it wouldn't make much sense to claim french ancestry ahead of Mexican. I don't feel the need to downplay any of my Indian roots, in fact I'm proud of it.
just say that you are mexican and be comfortable with it, doesnt make much sense to say your european if you dont have any familiarity with the languages or culture, or if you havent lived there.
If you went there they would consider you a American.
[quote]Euro-Mexi-Can wrote:
You can't make simplistic assumption like you just did. I'm Mexican-American and about 1/2 Mayan, and 1/2 European (mostly English). I look like a whitey European with some Italian mixed in, but my brother looks like a dark Mexican/Mayan. In your opinion, based on your limited knowledge, I'm a "whitey" Mexican and my brother is a "real" Mexican. Your light bulb is a dim one, indeed.
my situation is kind of like yours but remember one thing : your MEXICAN AMERICAN. Of course, most Mexicans are mestizo and have some European blood down the line. your brother is just as european as you are and you are just as Indian as he is. its in the genes you share, they were just expressed differently during your development.
i probably have some European ancestors as well, about 140 yrs ago from France but it wouldn't make much sense to claim french ancestry ahead of Mexican. I don't feel the need to downplay any of my Indian roots, in fact I'm proud of it.
just say that you are mexican and be comfortable with it, doesnt make much sense to say your european if you dont have any familiarity with the languages or culture, or if you havent lived there.
If you went there they would consider you a American.
dsasda wrote:...doesnt make much sense to say your european if you dont have any familiarity with the languages or culture, or if you havent lived there...
Your comment doesn't make any sense. If someone was born in the U.S.A. and lived in France for 20 years, then moved to the U.S.A, then your logic says they are French, not American. They would have absorbed the culture and language of France. Even in the U.S.A. culture varies by the part of the country you live in, and even based on personal preferences.
It makes more sense to simply consider yourself an American if that is where you chose to live, absorbing the language and culture. At the same time, acknowledging your ancestry is a very important part of being a human being. Think of it pride, or respect, if you want.
I'm American, with close roots to Mexico, and close roots to England. I also have more distant roots to France, Spain, Italy and Turkey. Why should I forget those connections to my past? I chose to remember, and respect, those connections.
you should be proud of your past.but its more beneficial to have European roots than indigenous or African roots.
But you have to understand that in Mexican culture its always been considered beneficial to be lighter complected. This is a legacy of racism and class divisions that were placed in Mexico centuries ago.
Many Mexican immigrants have to drop a lot of their Mexican identity in order to become fully assimilated into American culture and be accepted in the professional world. If you act
the plain simple fact is that America still is very racist and looks down upon Mexican culture as being inferior. latino immigrants are frowned upon yet English immigrants are welcomed.
Ignorant people feel
Latin America = savage tropical place, with a couple of decent Europeans.
Europeans = class, respectable, progress.
this is entirely wrong. but not every white person beleives this. there are many white people who are mindful of the complexity of latino culture.