Will Wariner get the record before Bolt????????

even easier wrote:

Why...

because a coach that gets all the 400m talent in the most talented sprints country of the world 250 mill...

No, because the 46.2 kid from the link that was posted barely trained at all last season because he had a hamstring injury. And he was a sophomore, not a junior. Take a look at the other sprinters on the 2009 roster that competed in 2008:

LeJerald Betters

HS(2006): 46.6

College(2008): 44.75

Marcus Boyd

HS(2007): 46.8

College(2008): 45.5

Trey Harts

HS(2006): 20.82

College(2008): 20.39

Quentin Iglehart-Summers

HS(2005): 46.3

College(2008): 45.4

btw, I'm still laughing at your stupidity

konro wrote:

Doesn\'t it go against some physiological truisms to have the same guy have the 100, 200 & 400? I know that Bolt is a phenomenon, but does he really combing the explosiveness, strength and endurance required for all 3? Actually, to be honest, I recently re-watched Johnson\'s 400 WR and it is amazing the speed he carries in the last 100. He still looks like he\'s sprinting. I think Bolt very well could concentrate on it and make a WR but he won\'t be phenomenal in all 3 at the same time, they\'re different distances.

Wariner is more of an endurance athlete, I see him coming close to the record, but he doesn\'t have the closing speed, can he change? Possibly.

I don\'t know if you\'ve seen him run recently but the guy is a 400m runner all the way. Tall and slender, slow out of the blocks (comparatively), his 200m pace is even faster than 9.69.

Yes he has the 100m WR but the man has the best shot at MJ\'s untouchable 400m record; Wariner move aside or move up an event. Bolt himself even says that he is a 400m runner. He does own the junior record at 400m.

what the hell happened to the World Silver medalist in 05?

Andrew Rock.

Rock aint gonna cut it anymore. Thats what happened. He is now trying the 400H.

:)

Except Betters everybody else PR in college at close to less than 1 second better than in high school.

By any standard that is A V E R A G E improvement . Every year college coaches are getting high schoolers that by their junior year would run at least 1 second faster in the 400m....

Off course some people would say "that at that level" 1 sec means more....

but its still a second(less actually)

Why is not anybody bringing in discussion Williamson, the guy that stayed with coach Clyde.....and at one point in college was considered more talented than Warriner. Lets look at both sides of the coin before bitching about Warriner changing coaches and believing that IT must be the reason for him NOT having an improving year( which at his level is darn hard)

I though Merrit won the gold medal?

These guys are all running under 46 seconds and yet you think there is a problem with the coaching? Talented or not how many guys in the nation are running under 46 seconds? And how many relays has Baylor won the last few years? oh, thats right now I remember, they've won twenty-nine! Twenty-nine relay victories in a row! What terrible coaching! And that streak is still going.

What about Williamson? He won 3 Big 12 individual titles and was the 400 national champion in 2005, his senior year. Hart really screwed him up after high school.

In the last 12 years there has been 4 Olympics. Guess who has coached 2 of the 4 Olympic 400 gold medalist. To add to that, there was also speculation that Hart "advised" Merritt before the Olympics:

http://www.trackshark.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9945&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=be0c2561ab185e0e2f4685ffa94027e2

So make that 2.5/4, which isn't too bad. Hart also coached Reggie Witherspoon who copped some Olympic gold of his own this year after getting on a relay team from his 4th place finish at the trials. Whats wrong with Hart's coaching again?

Why did Sanya Richards didn t won the 2008 Olympics since she trained with Clyde? -if Warriner didn t won the Olympics because he didn t train with Clyde?

Ups.....

What she ran at Olympics in the Final is weaker than her 2005 season best...

But again, we need legends and pretty stories.....

You need some help with your English and it was the Olympic finals you idiot. Just to be there is a great accomplishment. Did you not watch the race? That was not a coaching error. Richards has had HUGE success under Hart. I can't believe you are even trying to argue this.

[quote]are you serious? wrote:

So make that 2.5/4, which isn't too bad. [quote]

Actually Johnson won in 96 and 2000 so Hart has had his hand in all 4 of the Olympic 400 meter golds in the last 12 years.

average johny wrote:

:)

Except Betters everybody else PR in college at close to less than 1 second better than in high school.

By any standard that is A V E R A G E improvement . Every year college coaches are getting high schoolers that by their junior year would run at least 1 second faster in the 400m....

Off course some people would say "that at that level" 1 sec means more....

but its still a second(less actually)

Why is not anybody bringing in discussion Williamson, the guy that stayed with coach Clyde.....and at one point in college was considered more talented than Warriner. Lets look at both sides of the coin before bitching about Warriner changing coaches and believing that IT must be the reason for him NOT having an improving year( which at his level is darn hard)

Wait, first you argue that 1 second is average improvement even though they are at an elite level. Then you rant on about how Williamson didn't improve over one year so there is something wrong. Finally, you say that at Wariner's level its pretty darn hard to improve over a year. You might want to check your math, something doesn't add up.

LASHAWN MERRITT ALL DAY ERR DAY YA DIGGGGG??!?!??

No, no truisms violated. Bolt has a far better chance than Wariner for that 400m record. Taylor and Merrit have about as good a chance as Wariner. (Think Wingate, where the correlation between peak power and total power over 30" duration is quite strong.)

No one can maintain a velocity they cannot reach. Speed is inescapable. Bolt could have about the worst stamina in the world and still run <45 on a relay. And to put this into perspective, there are runners on international 4x400m teams who manage 45' splits in an Olympic 4x400m final, and most couldnt match Bolt over 100m even if given a running start to full speed!

Now if Wariner attacks on the speed side and sacrifices stamina (as he did last season), he risks losing ground. Wariner recognizes his limitation is on the speed side and that he's gone as far as possible with the stamina; Bolt's limitation is on the stamina side, but he has room for improvement. He attacked for stamina gains last season and smashed records because he can now maintain velocity.

The balance of speed and stamina determines the winner.

Very difficult to compensate for the (relative) lack of speed when the race duration is 43"-45". Remember Michael Johnson was just plain faster than Wariner. Wariner can get the 600m record, like Evans, but that's about it. The party is over when the real sprinters, with 9.6-9.8 speed start to get into shape. Some of them will break down from the endurance work (which for a good sprinter is 6x 26/200 not 6 x mile at 6/mile), but some *will* progress in the 200m/400m and make < 20 and thus < 44 routine.

And to be honest, Hart has chewed up a lot of sprint talent with the stamina work, and you can only push that so far also. It works for some, and for others not. From here on, if Wariner wins world titles, it will be because he can maintain through rounds, not because he is necessarily faster in the traditional final only sense.

OH snap, Williamson is not improving for the past 3 years under Clyde . It happens. But why do people blame Warriner perceived failure at Olympics on changing coaches since the same thing can be said on a handful of people training under Clyde, some of them way much more talented ( Sanya R).

Clyde is perceived as inflexible in training, and you don t have to be a rocket scientist to realize people are different and most likely benefit from different coaching strategies.

One size fits all strategy= zero respect in my book

guys like Wariner and Tyler Christopher, both of whom underperformed last season,

did you acctually include these two in the same sentence. christopher didn't make it out of heats, wariner was the silver medalist...wariner is on a completely different planet than tc

f***ing idiot

ps - 400m wr isn't gunna be broken until bolt grows up, so around the 2016 olympics

Whoever first said that Williamson was the one that stuck with Hart has zero credibility.

Williamson was the FIRST to leave the Hart camp. Sanya is the only one training with him at the moment.

No

hahahahahaha wrote:

hmm easy wrote:

Is there any way you guys would realize that him changing coaches IS NOT THE REASON for the defeat????Is it possible you can understand the whole process can it be more complex?

Coach Clyde gets and kills 46.20 20.80 high school guys year in and year out with the same retarded 800-1500m training for the 400m runners......

Where is Williamson on the world scene????the guy that stuck with Clyde???

Wake the f up people

Proof

http://baylorbears.cstv.com/sports/c-track/mtt/scheuerman_jt00.html

48.90- 2008 season best as a junior in college

Recorded personal bests of 46.23 in the 400 meters, 20.74 in the 200 meters and 10.39 in the 100 meters.

congrats, you just nominated yourself for the dumbest post of the day award

He didn´t just nominate himself, he won it.