Kiptoo Wins West!

when i was in HS, (2000 grad), there was a "junior" on my team from an eastern african country. when he came to the states, he had to put down a birthdate on his green card. most african countries don't keep records of birhts, so he put down a date that would qualify him as a person born in '83. in actuality, he was born in about '80. he did very well at the CA st meet, i won't say his name, but he was good. we knew all along, but didn't really say anything. and he was only about 5'7". his sister was 39. so i highly doubt that he was 16 or 17 as a junior. his dad was over 60. that's just the way it is.

i personally think tha MoT should have won. i mean, come on, he is freakin FAST. he tied Hall's CR at Mt SAC, that same year, Hall won western regionals and was 3rd to Webb and Ritz. i don't have to remind anyone of that.

MoT was robbed.

And who would go to high school when he could be full riding thru college. He is 18, if you saw him he is not any older.Really, he is more nature than some of you 30 year old doubters on this board.

Trafeh wasn't robbed of anything. I really don't think he cares about winning the Western regional.

"most african countries don't keep records of birhts"...

Oh sure...and most Americans make stupid generalizations about the people and cultures of countries which they have never visited AND post them on internet messageboards (go across to bigsoccer.com and read the Freddy Adu age thread if you have enough time).

Wait a minute..is that all Americans, or just a few brazen, ignorant ones? I wonder what percentage of Americans that is. Is it more than the percentage of Kenyans who have inaccurate birth records? I wonder....

Listen...I don't know how old Kiptoo is for sure, but I do know that if he wins Footlocker going away, he WON'T be the reason why most American distance runners are not making a significant impact at the highest level of the sport. To find that out, many Americans will have to take a time out from the bitching and moaning about false documents, EPO and other steroids, and whatever else you will, and begin focusing on what role the American runners play in their own lack of success...

Sometimes people from other cultures look much more mature than the typical westerner at the same age. For instance, in the paper they keep showing people from Iraq and I'll look at the picture and see a 40 year old man doing work and the caption is something like "...21 year old...sells coffee...", or if you look at pictures of the Sherpas you'd think their 16 year olds were old enough to be your dad and their eldest of the elders belonged in company with Yoda. Western culture, with less physical labor growing up on the average, keeps us looking a bit prettier on average for a bit longer.

Even if Rupp took it easy, that is a very nice run for Eagon. That kid is as talented as anyone I know and finally has had some injury free training. Good luck stuart!

im excited to see what kiptoo can do at new mexico!

look idiot-i have a lot more connections with africa than you do, so shut your pie hole before you start talkin smack. one of best friends was born there, my girlfriend's mother has lived there for over 30 years. my grandfather has been to Kenya on diplomatic missions since the 1960's. i will be going there at some point with him. aside from that, i have done a lot of research on the different countries, and while i am not an expert, i do have more knowledge than the average person. thus, i make my claim with full confidance, not a generalization.like i said, i have seen this firsthand--fake birth records. so if it has happened once within the past 6 years, i am sure it will happen again.

"one of my best friends..." Okay...that pretty much sums up where you're coming from.

Look...

Have a great trip to Africa (whichever of the 54 different countries you may be going to)!

Be sure to post an update on your findings about African people and culture when you get back. Some pictures of 17/18 year olds you meet across there would be very illuminating for the readers here (and on bigsoccer.com)

Hope your research proves fruitful and that you enjoy the cradle of civilization.

Bon voyage!

to "bring the generalizations..."

hey dude, i feel bad now for callin you an idiot publicly on this board. i understand your feeling about stereotypes and generalizations of different groups when they have success. i am new to this board, and i apologize.

happy trails dude.

Don't worry about it. Apology accepted.

'shadrack kiptoo' anagram: 'kid has took crap'

[quote]bf wrote:

'shadrack kiptoo' anagram: 'kid has took crap'[/quote

very clever. do you want a cookie?

yo i dont really even like shadrack...there are a lot of things messed up with the situation, mostly eddy. but he is here, he qualified, and regardless of how old he may or may not be, there is far too much bitching about the situation. even my best friend thinks he was robbed of a city title, and while i can sympathize, there are 2 options: bitch and moan and make excuses for why you couldnt hang, or set up to the challenge and go for it. do you need a medal to know how hard you pushed it? so say he wins it all, does that discount the efforts of the other runners? hell no. the kids that are contending for a national title should be going on to bigger and better things, and winning a HS meet (regardless of how big it is to them now) will seem insignificant when they are shooting for a spot on an olympic team. so to all you whiners: suck it up, step up, and just run.

"your best friend" should have quit bitching and interrogating Shadrack and Eddy and instead put that energy into training with him. that is the problem with some of the americans they would rather bitch than benefit. We know who you are Alan Weeth, again. Again Albuquerque Academy ran awful at Footlocker.

Well Mr Weeth you sure made an ass of yourself. I am not Dennis, so glad you spent your time bad mouthing a nice guy who has nothing to do with the situation. As much as you would like to fight someone it wont be from our team we are well trained to be gentlemen unlike you and Academy who pick fights with us all the time, but our coach Eddy says the real man walks away, and responds with great running performances and american records and Footlocker West titles. So take your Jerry Springer, trailer trash elsewhere we are too classy for you. Dennis does not know

what trailer trash is, he is european, so I am not him.

If you are going to fight someone, beat up the guy who gave your sister herpes.

adub wrote:

i am untouchable.

Ah, the ignorance of youth.

No one is untouchable, little man. You're a distance runner. Pretty much anyone can touch you wherever they damn well please.

The thought of two little high school cross country dweebs organizing a turf war fight at the airport brings a nostalgic tear to my eye. That's the funniest thing I have read in quite some time.

I think the Academy kid has a slight advantage because he is "trailer trash"- which combined with the fact that his sister has herpes leaves him with a big chip on his shoulder. He has nothing to lose.

Although, the La Cueva kid is "classless and shady", which means he is capable of anything. Plus, Team USA sweats are like kryptonite to the Academy kid for some reason.

Keep us posted on what happens in two weeks!

why do you continue to run your mouth on these boards. i dont understand why you need to hide behind you little ambiguious name and pretend like you are sweet and refined. you arent. you are a deuche. maybe if you werent such a group of arrogant, self assuming bastards then people wouldnt want to mess with you so much. and please dont diss a program that has accomplished more in just 7 years than la cueva has done in its entire existance. just because you have one runner does not mean that you are suddenly a super-power. and you seem to think that because shadrack is quite talented, that it reflects the program as a whole. it does not. it shows that eddy is a fabulous recruiter, not a fabulous coach. and what happens next year? do you go back to being down among the ranks of west mesa? enjoy your moment now because it will be a rude awakening when your kenyan leaves for college. and if you dont bother to tell me who you are, dennis will take the heat, because i am a dimwitted bully like that.ps- you need to improve your writing somewhat. it was the fragmented sentances in your last post that lead me to believe it was written by someone who spoke english as a second language, ie- dennis. please excuse this false assumption.

la cueva runner wrote:

Well Mr Weeth you sure made an ass of yourself. I am not Dennis, so glad you spent your time bad mouthing a nice guy who has nothing to do with the situation. As much as you would like to fight someone it wont be from our team we are well trained to be gentlemen unlike you and Academy who pick fights with us all the time, but our coach Eddy says the real man walks away, and responds with great running performances and american records and Footlocker West titles. So take your Jerry Springer, trailer trash elsewhere we are too classy for you. Dennis does not know

what trailer trash is, he is european, so I am not him.

If you are going to fight someone, beat up the guy who gave your sister herpes.

English is my first and only language.

Obviously college is not making you a better man Weeth.