foshizzle wrote:
sUnDaY crusty sAtCh- wrote:WHEN BOLT is 60 he wont be able to break 14 in the 100 m . as for now, everyone knows black people cant run distance .
Wasn't it a black man who just broke the marathon WR?
Please don't bring up the 5K and 10K records to go with world XC too!!! And don't mention the marathon gold medalist either!!!
The crazy part to me has nothing to do with how fast a sprinter Usain Bolt is. It is that you think he can run 1:53 or faster, but not break 5:00. If you knew someone could run 1:53, would you ever bet against that person to run under 5:00?
Runner108 wrote:
I realize that versions of this same thread have been done to death, whether it be for Michael Johnson, Lance Armstrong or whatever...so I apologize.
I'm having a debate.
I personally think that Usian Bolt, in his olympic form...so with no additional training...could probably run 1:52-1:53 in the 800. Maybe i'm wrong...maybe a little faster or slower..not the point.
Could he break 5 in the mile? I say no.
What do you say people. If you say yes, please provide the spilts you think he could run to do this.
yes, i have too much time on my hands.
I agree, it does seem contrary that someone could run 1:53 and not break 5...but that is why I started the thread.
The reason I think this is because it wouldn't be a normal 1:53. It would be him running a 400 and then the wheels completely coming off and struggling home to the ugliest 1:53 you have ever seen.
I think that whether he went out in 1:53, 2:00, 2:05 or freakin 2:30..the dude would completely die and not break 5.
Don't know what your back ground is ... but is obviously
not to do with sports. I used to play a little hockey; and I ran
as well ... to compliment and increase the endurance of my
Love. Ran an 8:30 something in the Ontario champs one year ...
and that was mostly based on the hard training I invested in the
game of hockey.
Without a shadow on me ... I would bet that Bolt is so superior to
what the average Joe thinks ... that it would be like comparing Iron
Man to Tiny Tim.
Bolt not only can run a 5 minute mile ... but he "may" be able to run 5
of them in a practice at that pace with an easy one lap jog rest in between.
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Runner108 wrote:
I agree, it does seem contrary that someone could run 1:53 and not break 5...but that is why I started the thread.
The reason I think this is because it wouldn't be a normal 1:53. It would be him running a 400 and then the wheels completely coming off and struggling home to the ugliest 1:53 you have ever seen.
I think that whether he went out in 1:53, 2:00, 2:05 or freakin 2:30..the dude would completely die and not break 5.
What would a 70 second 400 feel like to Bolt? Probably like jogging. He would only have to do 4 of those to run 4:40. It's not like a mile is SO FAR that he's going to hit the wall.
Yes, he can break 5 in the mile right now off 100/200 training. Case closed.
bolteatsbabies wrote:
you have guys on your college team who run 52's?
is it a school for the death and blind?
You must be an English major at your school.
So by your thinking Brian Clay should be able to jog 70 sec 400s and run the equivalent of a 4:40 1600 in the Olympic finals. However he couldn't do it even if it was for the American record. After 2 1/2 laps of 70s the discomfort would wipe that smug grin off of his face or he would slow down to 90s and keep trying to look cool.
McMillan shows a 10 second 100m runner being able to run a 3:23 mile. Of course it also shows a 1:54 marathon.
In all seriousness, of course Bolt could run a sub 5 min mile.
I was the one that the original poster was argueing with. I think that he could do it, but that it would be tough for him. For someone who never does it, 5 minutes is a long time to work hard.
Look at how shitty the decath guys look in the 1500.
I ran for about a year, took a few months off, and ran a 5:15 after 1 week of training. Bolt is an elite athlete who probably runs more miles in sprints than you guys do in jogging. 5:00 should not even be considered a tough barrier in running anymore..
Bolt could easily run sub 5:00.
this is a no-brainer. Besides the obvious fast time, what were the other distinct differences between Bolt and the rest of the Olympic field in the 100 and 200?
Form and physique. Bolt looks like a 400 runner, and he runs like an 800 runner. The guy looked like a middle distance runner doing a pre-race stride and he ran a worlds record, seemingly effortless, in both races.
To suggest that this same person cannot break 5 in a mile, a feet that is now considered just ok by 7th or 8th grade distance runners, is completely asinine.
Middle schoolers breaking 5 in the mile is actually a very impressive feat.
None of the posters in this thread seemed to think it relevant that Bolt weighs 210 lbs whereas your typical middle schooler running sub 5 usually does not.
Runner108 wrote:
I think if you told him to walk the first lap he would still go out in 60. That is freaking 15 seconds slower than he can run the 400.
In response the the other post. I don't believe your 50 second hs friends can break 5 without any training at all. bullshit.
My first year training for the 400 in college (I ran 50.04) our coach made every sprinter and jumper on the team do two 1600m time trials about 2 months apart.
I broke 5:00 both times without feeling at my limit. Both times my 24' long jump teammate did as well (his training was not surprisingly much shorter and speed oriented than my 400 training). We both did even splits passing the lead to work together and ran 4:58 We did this because our coach told us if we broke 5 we didn't have to do the time trial again (she lied and told us the same thing the second time, but kept her promise the second time, not making us do it a third time).
The remaining 20 or so sprinter/jumper guys on our team ran somewhere between 5:10 and 6:45. Some of these guys were 46" 400 runners and couldn't break 5:00, one guy was a 10.5" 100m runner who also couldn't break 5:00.
The point is that I think it is well within the realm of possibility that Bolt could break 5, but I don't think we can predict. I would guess that if he were legitimately trying, he would run somewhere between 4:40 and 6 minutes, but it depends almost entirely on his natural cardio fitness since he likely does no training for this, so we are at a loss as to actually able to speculate.
And to the person who said he "doesn't believe" that the earlier poster's 52 second 400m teammate really could break 5:00, just look up decathlon results. I am now a decathlete, so I can attest that pretty much no decathlete does any training for anything longer than the 400, and yet there are still many who could break 5 in the mile with ease. It isn't too unusual for a decathlete to be able to run in the 4:10 range for 1500, so sub 4:30 for the mile, just based on natural cardio strength combined with a lot of speed training, but no endurance training.
I would go with probably not. The physiology of someone who can run a 9.58 is just so different.
The people who reason along the line of "Li'l ol' me, a scrawny wimp with no talent, broke 5 off virtually no training, so of course Bolt can" are missing the point. A pure sprinter would usually have virtually no physical suitability for anything longer than a minute or so. You might as well say "he's so good at sprinting, OF COURSE he could play chess at a master level". I agree with runnerdnerd that it is just about possible that his range might extend just far enough to allow a sub-5, but it would be close. If you made it 2 miles, he'd probably run, like, 13 to 14 minutes.
Anyone remember how FloJo retired and said she was going to take up marathoning? She got as far as running a 5k in 20:52. Christine Ohuruogo has run a few 5ks in the 20:30 to 21 range. Yeah, I know, Bolt was much faster than them in the 100m, but the same principle holds. A true sprinter cannot be a good distance runner. And a sub-5 mile is at least pretty good (don't let the message boards fool you).
A 2:06 800 by Calvin Smith is pretty impressive. Here's Skeets running 2:08 to win the 880y at the 1971 Superstars competition.
runnerdnerd wrote:
Runner108 wrote:I think if you told him to walk the first lap he would still go out in 60. That is freaking 15 seconds slower than he can run the 400.
In response the the other post. I don't believe your 50 second hs friends can break 5 without any training at all. bullshit.
My first year training for the 400 in college (I ran 50.04) our coach made every sprinter and jumper on the team do two 1600m time trials about 2 months apart.
I broke 5:00 both times without feeling at my limit. Both times my 24' long jump teammate did as well (his training was not surprisingly much shorter and speed oriented than my 400 training). We both did even splits passing the lead to work together and ran 4:58 We did this because our coach told us if we broke 5 we didn't have to do the time trial again (she lied and told us the same thing the second time, but kept her promise the second time, not making us do it a third time).
The remaining 20 or so sprinter/jumper guys on our team ran somewhere between 5:10 and 6:45. Some of these guys were 46" 400 runners and couldn't break 5:00, one guy was a 10.5" 100m runner who also couldn't break 5:00.
The point is that I think it is well within the realm of possibility that Bolt could break 5, but I don't think we can predict. I would guess that if he were legitimately trying, he would run somewhere between 4:40 and 6 minutes, but it depends almost entirely on his natural cardio fitness since he likely does no training for this, so we are at a loss as to actually able to speculate.
And to the person who said he "doesn't believe" that the earlier poster's 52 second 400m teammate really could break 5:00, just look up decathlon results. I am now a decathlete, so I can attest that pretty much no decathlete does any training for anything longer than the 400, and yet there are still many who could break 5 in the mile with ease. It isn't too unusual for a decathlete to be able to run in the 4:10 range for 1500, so sub 4:30 for the mile, just based on natural cardio strength combined with a lot of speed training, but no endurance training.
And folks, we have our answer.
Ran a distance medley relay once and had our 44 sec 400 runner run the 8300 thinking he could run like 1:50...He came in around 2:00 and looked like he was about to die. That day there was no way he would have ran under 5 in a mile.
The question is can he run 152-ish in 800 and break 5 in the mile without specific training if he was in Olympic sprinting form. I say no!
Do you guys know what oxygen debt is? As distance runners, you are capable of red lining on a 400 and 800 in a different way than a sprinter. Sure, I believe Bolt could basically JOG a 56 in the first 400 of an 800 meter run, but he'd be dead and tying up badly at 600 meters. I bet he would stubble to break 2 minutes.
As far as the mile goes, without any distance or mileage in his shedule of training, I say he is lucky to break 6 minutes in the mile. That is a big frame and requires a whole bunch of oxygen to run that far. I think you all are living in delirium to assume he could break 5 in the mile.
some idiots on here one time were having a serious post about him breaking 40min for 10 miles