Wejo, Why You Gotta Be Up in Galen's Grill Cheese?

Sorry, no. Often who works the hardest is the less talented kid maxing their potential. Those with TALENT and work hard are of course the best...which is why we only have 10 or so people running sub 28 min 10k.

Not everyone with the talent will work hard.

Not everyone who works hard has the talent.

Be careful with the Albuterol if you have had A-Fib of any abnormal heart or wave rhythm. I have allergy-induced asthma during ragweed season and I tried Albuterol once and couldn't bear it - it jacked up my HR and had missed beats - I used it once right before a race an I felt great apart from that - felt like my skin was crawling and my HR was over 100 right after taking the puff. My doc knew I had a history of A-fib yet I got on PubMed and found that it is a potent trigger. I'll never touch the stuff again.

I went to a D1 college and had full acess to doctors, stim, ice bath, trainers, ultrasound, hot tubs, breath right strips if we wanted them (which I dont think help whatsoever), massage therapists and pretty much anything else I needed all because I could run. We had free protein, endurox, as many shoes as we wanted. We got meal money for trips which was way more than we needed. There were even jobs given especially to athletes at schools to help pay for extra stuff. I had a ton of advantages over many kids at many schools. Any runner at a major D1 school has these. No one at a major D1 school is amateur. It's such a bunch of crap. They make 60,000 a year its just not in salary form. Some make even more.

All this bashing on Rupp is nuts. He's just like any other athlete at a big time school, he just has access to a few extra ammenities. Stop bashing on this guy about amateurism. No one at a top school is doing this for free. Stop bashing on this guy for having these advantages.

You are delusional if you think running at a major D1 school is worth 60k a year. You are joking right?

jcrunner5k wrote:

You are delusional if you think running at a major D1 school is worth 60k a year. You are joking right?

Um no.

"Indeed, following a national trend, the number of Longhorn student-athletes has fallen slightly, so the amount of money the university spends per athlete has soared, from $113,000 in 2003 to $210,000"

You think runners deviate that much from the average?

Well, when you are spending money (20k) every HOME football game to put the 60-80 football players up at a hotel. That number gets elevated pretty quickly. Now, think of what they spend on flights, buses, food etc on away games. Just for the football team. Now go on down the line for all the sports higher on the pecking order than track. I grew up in a college town with prominent football and basketball programs. Major D1 school. I saw how the money was broken down. All I'm trying to say is that a statistic like that is misleading. This is from the article..

The UT football locker room features a lounge area with game tables, 125 personalized lockers for the players, five flat-screen TVs and a three-dimensional, lighted 20-foot Longhorn on the ceiling. The facility, which is named the Howard L. Terry-Bobby Moses Jr. Longhorn Locker Room, is described on the UT athletics department's Web site as 'one of the finest collegiate locker rooms in the country.'

Following its Rose Bowl victory, the football team was rewarded with a $200,000 renovation of its players lounge, a retreat with four TV projectors (screens drop from the ceiling at the push of a button embedded in a six-foot replica of the UT tower), six flat screen TVs, four X-boxes and three PlayStations.

Two floors down, the football locker room boasts another new lounge area, with five flat-screen TVs and a three-dimensional, lighted 20-foot Longhorn on the ceiling. Men's and women's basketball players can relax in their own private living rooms, each with large TVs, video games and recliners. (New recliners cost $15,020 last year.) The golf teams have a private player lounge at their new clubhouse.

The athletic department continues to show its appreciation once recruits become Longhorns. Each year, it gives various rewards to players and personnel — letter jackets and blankets, but also rings, watches, iPods and other swag earned for conference victories and championships. The gifts totalled $537,000 last year.

The department spends about $35,000 annually on the Hall of Fame luncheon for female athletes. By tradition, the football team goes to a movie the night before games: $700.

UT athletes never lack for the best gear, either. Under a sponsorship deal (being renegotiated), Nike provides a $1.6 million annual allowance for equipment purchases, which the Longhorns regularly exceed.

The football team alone bought $408,000 worth of gear in 2006. Upon arriving on campus, each player receives 40 separate pieces of gear and apparel, including multiple shirts, shorts, tights, sweats, gloves, warm-ups, towels, practice shoes, game shoes, running shoes, cross-training shoes and sandals. Everything is replaced when torn, broken or well-worn.

I hope you can see my point.

WeJo, didn't you move out to altitude to get better? Calling the kettle black, eh?

Hey genius who keeps touting how asthma meds are performance enhancing...

Notice that every single study or talk on those steroid forums is about either Oral or injectible albuterol. NOT inhaled. Which is what Rupp or any other athlete who suffers from any form of asthma takes. Inhaled beta-2 agonists do NOT enhance performance. There was an article about a week ago in the NY times on this. Go look at it.

And the thyroid thing. Go back and read your steroid forums again. They use low doses, cycle on it for a short time (to "thin" up) and get off of it.

Once again, this is not what Rupp or any other athlete who suffers from hypothyroidism does. We have to take a larger amount (dependent on the person) every single day for the rest of our lives. An athlete who has no thyroid problems would be an idiot to get on a regular high dosage of T3 or T4.

Why go to Houston for a doctor? Why trust something like thyroid function, which basically regulates your entire metabolism to just any doctor? You realize that the control of almost all of the metabolic processes in the body plays a large role in running. You want someone who understands athletes. How many times have you seen threads on here about people going to some doctor who has no clue about running and it screws them up? If you are an elite athlete with a serious hormone problem, why not go to the best? Hell, I just got back from going to Denver for a medical problem. It's not unheard of for people to seek out the best. There are a lot of bad/clueless doctors out there.

Maybe, read some medical research and understand it, and not rely on steroid forums. It might do you some good.

Rupp has a ton of advantages, but why bash him for them? Almost all of the top groups have many of these same advantages, yet no complaints there. And for WeJo to call diseases like hypothyroid or asthma an advantages is beyond ridiculous. If you think it is, I'll gladly trade with someone so you can have all these wonderful benefits that both diseases give.

Did any of them get albuterol and t3?

yes the whole u of o team has access to houston, utah training camps, nike nitrogen/altitude house, plus access to all the nike facilities....right?...get a clue...

Here ya go.

[quote]“A lot of people believe they are performance enhancers,” Dr. Gary I. Wadler said about inhaled asthma drugs. But, added Wadler, who is chairman of the World Anti-Doping Agency’s prohibited list and methods subcommittee, “there is no evidence for that at all.”

Dr. Kenneth Fitch, a member of the International Olympic Committee’s medical commission, has provided some of that evidence. A professor at the School of Sport, Exercise and Health at the University of Western Australia, he conducted three double-blind studies of asthma drugs and concluded that they did not enhance performance. In the studies, neither the participants nor the researchers knew who was receiving asthma drugs or who was receiving a dummy substance.

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sjm1368 wrote:

Rupp has a ton of advantages, but why bash him for them? Almost all of the top professional groups have many of these same advantages, yet no complaints there.

There, fixed it for you. I think you'll understand why people bitch and moan about his "amateurism" now... You even said it yourself.

all ya'll just hatin' that a white boy be makin' a name for hisself. ain't nothin' gonna stop a grown ass man from gettin paid.

"I didn't inhale"

They were careful to say "inhaled" - this does not apply to the same drug - albuterol - when taken orally, however, having a TUE for an inhaler provides nice cover for the presence of albuterol in your system.

Cheers

Deny all you want.

quote]precisely wrote:

sjm1368 wrote:

Rupp has a ton of advantages, but why bash him for them? Almost all of the top professional groups have many of these same advantages, yet no complaints there.

There, fixed it for you. I think you'll understand why people bitch and moan about his "amateurism" now... You even said it yourself.[/quote]

Well, where do you want to stop it. Many of the top athletes in college have altitude tents. They either buy themselves or get them for "research" through their schools.

So are all of those kids thrown in with Rupp?

Same thing with doctors. Many of the bigger programs have contact with the best doctors, who come in weekly to visit the athletic department, while the smaller schools get to see the trainer and maybe if something goes horribly wrong the local specialist. Some schools, even send their kids to specialists in different states/cities.

Same thing with testing. Many schools get routine exercise testing such as VO2max tests or lactate tests. Many also get free blood work done. What about the poor schools that don't?

Same with the supplementary stuff. Bigger schools have better equipment. A lot have underwater treadmills now. Some, like Arkansas, have had an Anti-Gravity treadmill. Should arkansas be punished b/c of this since some schools have none of these things?

Same thing with camps. Some schools go on summer altitude trips. That's not fair either.

Where do you draw the line? As long as he is paying for it or going through the right channels, who cares.

P.S.

Lance used the same shtick when he tested positive for corticosteroids, which were claimed to be topical and used for "saddle sores", every pro cyclist knew exactly what they were for - I will leave you all to do your own research.

P.S.S

The Brojos are pretty good about deleting most of the stuff that they know to be just made up crap about people, and this thread has not been deleted. They also mention thyroid hormones and asthma meds on the front page ... hmmm ... interesting.

Albuterol Salazar wrote:

P.S.S

The Brojos are pretty good about deleting most of the stuff that they know to be just made up crap about people, and this thread has not been deleted. They also mention thyroid hormones and asthma meds on the front page ... hmmm ... interesting.

Congrats, you slurped up various other peoples vomit and are now puking it out yourself. Yes, I believe you Rupp is drugged up to the gills. He's so drugged that this 13:37 high school runner now has a PR of 27:33 about a minute and a quarter behind the world record.

Do you have any grasp on reality?

sjm1368 wrote:

Once again, this is not what Rupp or any other athlete who suffers from hypothyroidism does.

And just how would YOU know whether Rupp or any other athlete "suffers from hyopthyroidism"??? Did you make the diagnosis yourself, Dr. Stevie?