I kinda thought Soboleva was hot. Gonna miss her at the Olys.
I kinda thought Soboleva was hot. Gonna miss her at the Olys.
trollism wrote:
She's been done before though hasn't she?
I remember all the other shot putters getting really excited when Vili beat her in the last round of the World Champs. Even the Chinese looked rather delighted.
I was ecstatic when Valerie beat her last year. Valerie's a lovely woman (all 6'4 of her) but this Belarussian needs to shave more than I do. It's terrible.
It's a shame they haven't caught Lilya Shobukhova yet...
ELOHE1 wrote:
It's a shame they haven't caught Lilya Shobukhova yet...
or Adam Goucher or Ian Dobson or...........
wow what a zinger
Point of clarification wrote:
ELOHE1 wrote:It's a shame they haven't caught Lilya Shobukhova yet...
or Adam Goucher or Ian Dobson or...........
Yeah, those guys must be doping since they just dropped the 1st and 2nd fastest times of the year at 5k and 10k.
Seriously, how is there suspicion for someone who runs 27:58 or something and 13:20 or so.
Frontpage: "This shows the IAAF program to target suspected cheats (based on profiling samples) is making some progress, although it also shows the anti-doping authorities still can not actually detect the drugs the cheats are taking."
???Obviously they are using other people's samples out of competition becuase they are at the very least paranoid that the IAAF program will detect PED's in their urine.
NEXT!!!
surprise
How has no one raised the question regarding certain other Russia 800m runners yet?
A backdoor method of catching cheats, a win is a win.
ELOHE1 wrote:
What's DNA convergence?
................ wrote:
That's what I want to know... wikipedia and google don't seem to help much on that subject. It implies maybe some sort of matches in cells (matching what?)... is it the same as Haplotype convergence?
It means the IAAF shuffled the samples around and then banned them.
(posted on another thread)
wow, great news. Despite the cynicism people have about drugs in our sport, generally, I've found the following to be true (and no, I am not trying to say this is a scientifically verifiable comment, and yes, I know there are exceptions): when a big majority of knowledgeable fans and athletes (not just a minority of haters) think that an individual or group of individuals from a country is cheating, that person or group generally gets busted, or at least strong evidence comes out that they were certainly cheaters. It happened with the eastern bloc women of the '70s (much documentation about that now), it happened with Ben Johnson, it happened with the Chinese women swimmers, and ( in my mind, partly by association and because of similar out of this world times, the chinese women runners, but yes, they were never busted), it happened with that Irish female swimmer, it happened with tons of cyclists, it happened with Regina, it happened with Barry Bonds, it sort of happened with Flojo (well, she did die), etc, etc, etc (fill in your own examples).
My point: when a large of fans really think there is no way in hell someone is clean, eventually the truth emerges. And this has been the case with the Russian female mid-distance runners for years.
Many, many other dirty athletes never get caught. But I would suspect that many of them only dabbled in drugs. Not that that makes it much better, but it just seems to me that when an athlete or group (like Ben Johnson or many former and present communist nation athletes) really push the envelope with drugs, someone eventually rats them out or they get tripped up somewhere, or the test positive. And that is why I always find the belief that the East African runners have been part of this huge drug conspiracy for going on almost 20 years now of national systematic doping, and that someone like Geb has doped his entire career, without any major busts, to be not a credible one. If such a thing was going on, the LARGE MAJORITY of fans would be highly suspicious(not just a minority of haters), and someone or something would trip them up and it would come to light. Hey letsrun, there is still time for that to happen, but I wouldn't hold you breath on that one.
It is really sad that the women have to suffer for the IAAF's ineptness, bungling and bureaucracy.
Oh dear wrote:
Basically it means all the urine came from the same person.
Wow, are they really that stupid?
Shit you think Russia is like one bigass training group? Thats like if Webb got busted the russians automatically assume Lagat is doing the same thing. As far as I know borzy is not involved in their camp.
They may have all provided the same urine specimen for testing - thus the gene markers for the different women were the same, meaning it wasn't their urine in the first place. At least, that's what I was thinking it meant. Am I wrong on this?
no way wrote:
Wow, are they really that stupid?
No, and this probably has nothing to do with their samples.
ELOHE1 wrote:
What's DNA convergence?
Someone may have answered you, but I don't feel like reading on. It means their DNA didn't match the DNA submitted to test
Hey idiots. IF everyone is SURE Salazars camp is doped, then why the hell couldn't John Cook's be doping as well??? He has 4 athletes on the Olympic Team. Kara Goucher coming out of nowhere or low depths the last few years??? What the hell do you call Shannon Rowbury coming out of nowhere and running 4:01 in May? Donohue isn't running tremendously well? Then there is this Flanagan lady maybe someone has heard of her????? If you are going to point fingers then point fingers at everyone that runs well. Just because Cook's camp hasn't had a positive test before doesn't mean that doping couldn't be going on. At one point Trevor Graham's crew didn't have any positive tests either.