Same as always. Blah blah blah blah blah. Meb is one of us, so he had a good reason for an inhaler.
The funny part of this is that NOW, Meb denies that it ever happened.
If it was all on the up and up, it seems weird that anyone would deny it.
Same as always. Blah blah blah blah blah. Meb is one of us, so he had a good reason for an inhaler.
The funny part of this is that NOW, Meb denies that it ever happened.
If it was all on the up and up, it seems weird that anyone would deny it.
1. Since he is running the 10K he will be tested if a) he finishes top 4 or is a random.
2. The air quality is questionnable. The Chinese have made promises, but who knows what will really happen.
3. To use beta-2 agonists in the Olympics one must have medical testing done showing EIA/asthma whereas federations merely require a doctor to complete the aTUE. Big difference. Several athletes I have worked with were using albuterol but they did not meet the standards set by the IOC to use albuterol in the Games. Some athletes were found be asthmatic through testing.
4. Is there any evidence that Meb used an inhaler. BTW, nothing against it and the weight of the literature shows that taking albuterol (or its cousins) will help a healthy person performance wise. Ventilation is not the limiting factor in most healthy people (some women can get a disconnect but fewer men).
I read nothing more into this than he does not want to expose himself to the potential damaging effects. Heck the USOC has developed a filtration mask for athletes to wear when not competing to keep the particulate matter down.
It seems like everyone is just looking for a cop out. "They're better than me so they must have some advantage that I don't beyond my own control(drugs, genetics, better environment)". Buck up, some people work harder than you.
And Indurain's success wasn't due to any asthma medication, it was due to the fact that he had a 8L lung capacity and an oversized heart (resting HR of 29). When the guy bent over he looked like he had a gut because his lungs and heart were physically too big for his chest and it pushed his other organs out.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39168000/jpg/_39168908_indurain94_get300x200.jpg
That probably didn't have anything to do with it though...
I am then confused, if asthma medication has no performance enhancing effect on non-sufferers and cannot overenhance performance in sufferers, just bring them up to level playing field standard then why is it considered performance enhancing by WADA? Why test for it at all? If those that need it can obtain no advantage from overdosing and those that don't need it can gain nothing then what's all the fuss about.
vandergraafgenerator wrote:
I am then confused, if asthma medication has no performance enhancing effect on non-sufferers and cannot overenhance performance in sufferers, just bring them up to level playing field standard then why is it considered performance enhancing by WADA? Why test for it at all? If those that need it can obtain no advantage from overdosing and those that don't need it can gain nothing then what's all the fuss about.
BAM.
The same reason lots of things are on the WADA banned list but are of dubious help to anyone. WADA spends a lot more time figuring out what to add then worrying about what to take off.
Aha, then it will perhaps surprise you that at a fairly recent WADA convention a groiup of delegates expressed grave concern
over the misuse of Salbutamol type medication. New guidlines were sent out after the last Olympic games expressly because
of the fabulously high number of "asthmatics" among olympic Athletes. Salbutamol misuse is under very very close observation at WADA, take my word for it;
Geb and Tergat can watch the race together on TV.
That's the Norwegian blood diluter isn't it. I'm not a dopage expert, I heard about the WADA conference from a campus colleague who is.
How many? Names?
Interesting topic, good thread. Good that it was pointed out both that non asmetics dont benitift from the medication and that the WADA still hovers over it.
For a long time doctors said the evidence was inconclusive whether steroids helped healthy people either. Obviously they do. I'd guess asthma medicine does improve performance of healthy athletes or masks something else that does. 30% of world class olympic athletes have asthma? Give me a break.
Pittman, Hackett, Radcliffe (I presume) El Guerrouj is asthmatic, don't know if he had meds in Athens;
There are just so many, you can find most of them in the public domain by close research
no 17% in Athens were asthmatic,30% of them won medals.
The usual day to day ratio is about 8/10%
And what is the percentage of elite middle and long distance runners effected by asthma versus that of the general populace? Can you cite a study detailing the effects of elite level training on ordinary people with respect to asthma?
Jana and Paula are clean, I have no doubt about it.
Back to the subject of Geb choosing the 10000 over the marathon...
I am a bit disappointed that we won't see Geb winning the marathon Gold to cap off an unbelievable career.
But the favorite never wins the marathon in the Olympics and we may have just seen him DNF.
I wouldn't mind seeing him win another 10K medal and pushing Bekele.
With his 2:04 marathon strength and the fact that Bekele is human, I wouldn't be surprised to see Geb capable of 26:30 fitness and win Gold.
the former mobile9 wrote:
Jana and Paula are clean, I have no doubt about it.
No doubt but they are using asthma medication as were
about 1800 other athletes. They won about 530 medals out of 3410, so 16% or so of the olympic medals were won by a
population group of about 8 to 10%
excu-says wrote:
It seems like everyone is just looking for a cop out. "They're better than me so they must have some advantage that I don't beyond my own control(drugs, genetics, better environment)". Buck up, some people work harder than you.
And Indurain's success wasn't due to any asthma medication, it was due to the fact that he had a 8L lung capacity and an oversized heart (resting HR of 29). When the guy bent over he looked like he had a gut because his lungs and heart were physically too big for his chest and it pushed his other organs out.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39168000/jpg/_39168908_indurain94_get300x200.jpgThat probably didn't have anything to do with it though...
Those "facts" about Indurain are pure BS. His heart and lungs were so big they made his gut look big? yeah sure of course they did.
Complete and utter bullshit, but the sort of bullshit that cyclists and cycling followers believe.
Getting back to Marion, I think the original comment was that she "SEEMED like a nice girl," not that she was one. There are many athletes who present one face to the media and public and another to people in private dealings. Boxing insiders tell me Sugar Ray Leonard was one such person.
As for Geb, he's not going to make the Ethiopian team in the 10,000.
