Georgetown

Georgetown's 13th place finish is a travesty. Henner do the right thing. It is unfair what you are doing to the teams behind you. Remember, you are an educator. You and the Hoyas are knowingly and blatantly cheating. And, people thought Helmer was slimy. You take the cake my friend.

There is no way a coach could have protested this within 30 min. Who would have the where with all to notice that three of your men dropped out a different points on the course.

How can the NCAA let this go on? This is an utter outrage and is unacceptable.

Henner - STOP CHEATING!

The fact that SO many people saw this would suggest that SOMEONE should have known about it and could have brought it up with the rules committee in the 30 minute window.

I don't care if he left the course, had a few beers and read the newspaper. G-town should be allowed to have the guy walk in for last place. Having the other 4 run as well as they did is quite an accomplishment and they deserve the 13th they got.

Runitse wrote:

I don't care if he left the course, had a few beers and read the newspaper. G-town should be allowed to have the guy walk in for last place. Having the other 4 run as well as they did is quite an accomplishment and they deserve the 13th they got.

...and steriods and epo are ok if you can pass the drug test.

The kid's got a funny name. I don't trust him.

power magnet wrote:

mobile9 wrote:

Remember the 2004 trials in the women's steeple when the leader went around one of the barriers and was DQ'd? The officials said if she had turned around and gone back over that skipped barrier, she wouldn't have been DQ'd. Same thing here: he picked up where he left off.

Not if you've already left the course, in which case you've taken yourself out of the race.

I have been in marathons in which I left the course to take a leak, but I ran back the way I came. I lost about a minute there. Are you saying I should have been DQ'ed.

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I have been in marathons in which I left the course to take a leak, but I ran back the way I came. I lost about a minute there. Are you saying I should have been DQ'ed.[/quote]

My understanding is after he returned to the course, he didn't run all of the course.

As far as my understanding Henner did protest Taye finishing once he realized that Taye had cut the course. Henner instructed Taye to finish, however, at that point he didn't know that Taye had cut the course. Henner and the G-Town program all seem like stand up guys and this situation is still unfolding, so lets not jump to conclusions.

haha, YO wrote:

The fact that SO many people saw this would suggest that SOMEONE should have known about it and could have brought it up with the rules committee in the 30 minute window.

A protest was filed after the race but the referee said they had no officials that could verify what happened. Because Taye dropped out and didn't get back onto the course until several minutes after the trail cart passed, the officials in that area had left the course.

As for the other Georgetown guys, I think one of them got tripped and fell while running in the top 100 relatively early on.

serious question: why does sandy roberts continue drop out of collegiate xc races on a regular basis? i used to watch him run in hs back in nc and thought he was a gritty comptetitor and now it seems like he DNFs 50% of his cross races. i know he DNF'd big easts and IC4A's/Prenats last year, there may have been a few more.

a;slkdfj;aslkdfj wrote:

serious question: why does sandy roberts continue drop out of collegiate xc races on a regular basis? i used to watch him run in hs back in nc and thought he was a gritty comptetitor and now it seems like he DNFs 50% of his cross races. i know he DNF'd big easts and IC4A's/Prenats last year, there may have been a few more.

Bad Habit to have!

I was one of the meet officials. the Notre Dame coach protested the G-town runner, but the G'town coach said he ran the entire race. Can anyone verify that they saw the entire thing, that the G'town runner did in fact cut the course? This is a serious matter and will be addressed but someone needs to describe in detail what happened (not what they heard happen).

He left the course, but came back and ran the entire course. He started even further back then from where he left.

If Levi Miller had been their 3rd or 4th man like he was at regionals and big east they would have been a top 8 team, maybe even better.

Many coaches know that he did not run the entire course. Many know this because the Georgetown coaches admitted it to numerous people. He left he course. He quit the race. He did not run every step of the 10k course. Henner's tirade was viewable to many. Their assistant coach was asked by an offical and he lied. The Hoyas know what happened and they flat out lied. As a coach what message are you sending to the runenrs on your team. I am an administrator from another school and am appalled that this level of deceit could happen in our sport. I am drafting a letter to the NCAA, their President and AD this morning. There is no place for this in college athletics.

Definitely a bad habit. Heck, if just one more Gtown runner has run a 32:30, they would have beat UVA and Cal Poly SLO, and been breathing down UTEP's neck.

Then again, they weren't the only team. Louisville and UTEP were both very strong 1-4, but their 5th guys dropped huge points and cost them.

Anyone know where Roberts dropped out. The webcast shows a shot of him right before a commercial break between the men's and women's races sitting on the ground somewhere on the course. Taye may not have gotten to that point before dropping out.

Anyone know where Roberts dropped out. The webcast shows a shot of him right before a commercial break between the men's and women's races sitting on the ground somewhere on the course. Taye may not have gotten to that point before dropping out.

because he has mental problems

no one has answered the question why he dropped out? He was 25 minutes at the 8k. even if he ran the last bit at 6 minute pace that puts him at 32.30?!?