50th Sub 3

Why won't he list his times for all 67 of his marathons?

It gives a distorted picture of his marathon life.

[/quote]Sorry, but I'm not ready to jump on the bandwagon. Everything you posted above shows that you lack the discipline to follow a set schedule and that like most "marathon maniacs" you try to impress others with volumn over quality. Maybe you would have 30 under 2:50 if you trained with more focus. In the end "counting every mile" does matter and "how little or how far you run during the week" usually does very much affect "how you perform on race day".[/quote]

You know what they say about opinions don't you?

Maybe he could of run 30 marathons under 2:50, Maybe he would of gotten hurt or burned out under a program with more focus or structure. It's all mental masturbation.

Just run.

desert rodent wrote:

Why won't he list his times for all 67 of his marathons?

It gives a distorted picture of his marathon life.

Why don't you actually read the fricking entire thread. He posted a link to the entire list of his marathons and ultra-marathons. Jeez, it bugs me when people won't actually browse what people have posted. It's not like this is hundreds of posts yet.

desert rodent wrote:

Why won't he list his times for all 67 of his marathons?

It gives a distorted picture of his marathon life.

Click the link he posted. It has all of his times listed. Oh, and stop being a whiny prat.

pancho wrote:

desert rodent wrote:

Why won't he list his times for all 67 of his marathons?

It gives a distorted picture of his marathon life.

Click the link he posted. It has all of his times listed. Oh, and stop being a whiny prat.

Sorry I was more focused on the sex & running thread.

Ante up wrote:

Sorry, but I'm not ready to jump on the bandwagon. Everything you posted above shows that you lack the discipline to follow a set schedule and that like most "marathon maniacs" you try to impress others with volumn over quality. Maybe you would have 30 under 2:50 if you trained with more focus. In the end "counting every mile" does matter and "how little or how far you run during the week" usually does very much affect "how you perform on race day".

Not asking you or anybody to jump on any bandwagons, especially mine. I do respect your opinion that you think I "lack discipline" and you think I am trying to "impress others" with "volume over quality". To speculate that I may have run 30 under 2:50 if I trained with more focus leaves out a lot of information about me and they way I live and the way I choose to run. I certainly have not been a runner for 37 years to impress anyone. Heck, maybe I could have even run 2:20 if I was more disciplined but I'm fairly sure that I turned over every stone 20+ years ago when I ran up to 140 miles a week just to see what would happen. As for your volume over quality assumpitions, I run every race to the best of my ability. So what if I have run a few marathons close together and still have managed to run them fairly well to me it is not such a bad thing.

Trust me, I do run and have always run with plenty of focus and disipline, but I also listen very closely to my body and rather than following mostly generic schedules or specific calendars that could have been written for anybody by people who don't know me and probably never will.

I've studied almost every training regime out there and they all include almost all the same ingredients, just put in the batter in a slightly different order. For me rather than using the same old recipes that everyone else uses (with mixed success) I thought I'd create my own formulas and in some cases do everyting the 'experts' warn us NOT to do and see what happened. My theory in regard to all this was to write my own rules.

For instance, the seven day week doesn't exist in my running anymore. I do not stretch until 2 weeks before a competition. I don't taper. I don't do planned long runs. I don't do planned speedwork. I don't do planned tempo runs. I don't do planned hill workouts. I don't count miles. I run when I feel like running. I rarely drink liquids while training even in hot weather. (this helps my body get used to performing while dehydrated) I take days off when I don't feel like running. I eat and drink what I want when I want. I never never put all my eggs into one basket(race). etc etc etc.

Interestingly I did once count every single mile(who cares if you run 100mpw or not if your races turn into disasters)I trained with very set schedules for years and years. The realization I gradually came to was that running was becoming just another job for me (at times a not so fun one), my choice was continue the yo-yo existance of adhering to the 'gotta do it mentality' that many of you are sadly locked into every single day, "I have to do 10 mile tempo run today or else I'm weak and will be off my training program". I've seen so many struggle with this not needed pressure day after day and month after month and many ultimately quit or burn out.

I decided to try to find a way to make running fun and keep it fun and in the process do the opposite of what everyone else was doing. I think I've succeeded, by totally dropping the rigid schedules about a dozen years ago

(I really do run only as far or as has hard as I feel like running on any given day, today for example I'll be going out later and have no idea how fast or how far I will run. I can tell you after but never before)

For me by doing this I've successfully made daily running an adventure and every run is really fun and something I really look forward to, (especially never knowing in advance how long or even how slow or fast I will run) My training is no longer a job to me, incidentally I'm running as good or better than I did 30 years ago when I was locked into the set "gotta do it" schedule thing. I'm not asking you or anyone to follow my advice and I am certainly not trying to impress you or anyone with anything I've done or may ever do.

(if you read my orginal post I was looking for others who have done similar things. As I read many of the stories folks have contributed there are many out there who are enjoing terrific longevity and who have done equally amazing things. I suppose you think they just trying to just impress people too?)

For me if one person sees that you can keep it fun and still run decently its perfectly fine with me. What is most important is that I hope at age 60 and beyond I will still be running OK (one thing is absolutely sure I'll be having a lot of fun doing it) and maybe just maybe I'll still be nailing a few sub 3s in the process.

Good Running to You.

gary allen

"Awesome! Didn't mean to bust your b#lls it's just everyone talks so much bullsh#t on here."

-of course you "meant" to do that, you f***ing prick. you are one of the reasons that letsrun.com sucks ass compared to 5 years ago.

You are right to keep running fun. I like to alter my courses daily and explore someplace new often. I stopped counting miles years ago and just go with the flow of the body and mind.

By the way, I too have run marathons under 3 hrs in the 80's, 90's, and 00's.

desert rodent wrote:

Why won't he list his times for all 67 of his marathons?

It gives a distorted picture of his marathon life.

Sorry for the missing information. The list below should help with a slightly clearer picture of my running life: (Sorry it is quite long)Yes, if you look at the bottom of the NYC list there is a DNF from 1984. I'd happily trade in all 67 for a redo of that one. Rule one we should all run by: first and foremost get the medal around your neck. As for me thinking I'm anything special is preposterous, my first XC coach at age 13 set us down and said "if you hope to be any good at running you have to eat running, sleep running and drink running". I am still trying my hardest to be good at running.

fastest by decade

1. 1970s 2:52:41 Paul Bunyan Marathon 7/15/78

2. 1980s 2:39:10 Sugarloaf Marathon 8/24/84

3. 1990s 2:40:47 Sugarloaf Marathon 5/20/90

4. 2000s 2:47:26 Sarasota Marathon 3/05/06

fastest to slowest

Rank / Time / Event / Date

chip times *

1. 2:39:10 Sugarloaf Marathon 8/26/84

2. 2:39:20 New York City Marathon 10/25/81

3. 2:39:57 Sugarloaf Marathon 8/25/85

4. 2:40:04 Boston Marathon 4/18/88

5. 2:40:47 Sugarloaf Marathon 5/10/90

6. 2:42:08 Sugarloaf Marathon 5/19/91

7. 2:42:47 Casco Bay Marathon 10/04/92

8. 2:42:52 New York City Marathon 10/26/88

9. 2:44:36 New York City Marathon 11/04/89

10. 2:44:59 Rhode Island Marathon 11/01/92

11. 2:46:21 New York City Marathon 10/26/82

12. 2:46:57 Boston Marathon 4/15/91

13. 2:47:18 Boston Peace Marathon 11/23/86

14. 2:47:26 Sarasota Marathon 03/05/06*

15. 2:47:34 Iceberg Marathon 3/01/81

16. 2:47:55 Sugarloaf Marathon 5/17/92

17. 2:48:05 Philadelphia Marathon 11/19/06*

18. 2:48:10 New York City Marathon 10/26/80

19. 2:49:11 Boston Marathon 4/21/86

20. 2:52:13 Sarasota Marathon 3/4/07*

21. 2:52:21 Sugarloaf Marathon 8/24/86

22. 2:52:41 Paul Bunyan Marathon 7/15/78

23. 2:53:38 Boston Marathon 4/20/81

24. 2:53:42 Los Angeles Marathon 3/19/06*

25. 2:53:50 Sugarloaf Marathon 5/19/02

26. 2:54:18 Las Vegas Marathon 1/25/04*

27. 2:54:20 Boston Marathon 4/17/06*

28. 2:54:23 Sugarloaf Marathon 5/15/05

29. 2:54:36 Boston Marathon 4/19/93

30. 2:54:50 Pacific Shoreline Marathon 2/01/04*

31. 2:55:14 Maine Marathon 10/7/07*

32. 2:55:16 Boston Marathon 4/16/07*

33. 2:55:21 New York City Marathon 11/02/03*

34. 2:55:37 Maine Marathon 10/01/06*

35. 2:55:46 Hyannis Marathon 2/23/03*

36. 2:55:54 Boston Marathon 4/20/87

37. 2:55:57 New York Marathon 11/3/02*

38. 2:56:04 Sugarloaf Marathon 5/20/07

39. 2:56:17 Sugarloaf Marathon 05/21/06

40. 2:57:04 Sugarloaf Marathon 5/18/03

41. 2:57:21 Boston Marathon 4/18/05*

42. 2:57:39 Johnny Miles Marathon 6/19/05*

43. 2:58:09 Boston Marathon 4/20/92

44. 2:58:18 New York City Marathon 11/05/06

45. 2:58:47 New York City Marathon 11/04/07*

46. 2:58:51 Sugarloaf Marathon 5/16/04

47. 2:59:08 Quebec City Marathon 8/26/07*

48. 2:59:40 Sugarloaf Marathon 8/28/83

49. 2:59:45 Boston Marathon 4/15/02*

50. 2:59:46 Baystate Marathon 10/15/95

51. 3:00:01 Boston Marathon 4/18/96*

52. 3:00:16 Marathon by the Sea 9/23/07*

53. 3:04:09 Gulf Beaches Marathon 1/20/02*

54. 3:04:34 New York City Marathon 11/06/05*

55. 3:05:57 Yonkers Marathon 9/17/06*

56. 3:06:22 Nova Scotia Marathon 7/24/05

57. 3:07:36 Boston Marathon 4/16/79

58. 3:08:43 Paul Bunyan Marathon 7/14/79

59. 3:12:09 Maine Marathon 10/7/01*

60. 3:12:14 New York Marathon 11/07/04*

61. 3:15:17 Paul Bunyan Marathon 07/16/06

62. 3:18:23 Boston Marathon 4/21/03*

63. 3:20:56 Boston Marathon 4/19/04*

64. 3:33:49 Lowell Marathon 3/12/78

65. 3:35:16 Miami Marathon 2/18/79

66. 3:37:45 Maineiacs Marathon 9/01/78

67. 3:42:08 Paul Bunyan Marathon 7/16/77

Sub 3 hrs -- 50

Sub 2:55 -- 30

Sub 2:50 -- 19

Sub 2:45 -- 10

Sub 2:40 -- 3

Fastest by Year

Date/ Rank (1 thru 67) / Time / Event/ Date

1977 (67) 3:42:08 Paul Bunyan Marathon 7/16/77

1978 (22) 2:52:41 Paul Bunyan Marathon 7/15/78

1979 (57) 3:07:36 Boston Marathon 4/16/79

1980 (18) 2:48:10 New York Marathon 10/26/80

1981 (2) 2:39:20 New York Marathon 10/25/81

1982 (11) 2:46:21 New York Marathon 10/26/82

1983 (48) 2:59:40 Sugarloaf Marathon 8/28/83

1984 (1) 2:39:10 Sugarloaf Marathon 8/26/84

1985 (3) 2:39:57 Sugarloaf Marathon 8/25/85

1986 (13) 2:47:18 Boston Peace Marathon 11/23/86

1987 (36) 2:55:54 Boston Marathon 4/20/87

1988 (4) 2:40:04 Boston Marathon 4/18/88

1989 (9) 2:44:36 New York Marathon 11/04/89

1990 (5) 2:40:47 Sugarloaf Marathon 5/10/90

1991 (6) 2:42:08 Sugarloaf Marathon 5/19/91

1992 (7) 2:42:47 Maine Marathon 10/04/92

1993 (29) 2:54:36 Boston Marathon 4/19/93

1994 none

1995 (50) 2:59:46 Baystate Marathon 10/15/95

1996 (51) 3:00:01 Boston Marathon 4/18/96*

1997 none

1998 none

1999 none

2000 none

2001 (59) 3:12:09 Maine Marathon 10/7/01*

2002 (25) 2:53:50 Sugarloaf Marathon 5/19/02

2003 (33) 2:55:21 New York Marathon 11/02/03*

2004 (26) 2:54:18 Las Vegas Marathon 1/25/04*

2005 (28) 2:54:23 Sugarloaf Marathon 5/15/05

2006 (14) 2:47:26 Sarasota Marathon 3/05/06*

2007 (20) 2:52:13 Sarasota Marathon 3/04/07*

Boston Marathon 14 Races

Number / Rank ( ) / Event / Date

1. (4) 2:40:04 Boston Marathon 4/18/88

2. (12) 2:46:57 Boston Marathon 4/15/91

3. (19) 2:49:11 Boston Marathon 4/21/86

4. (22) 2:53:38 Boston Marathon 4/20/81

5. (26) 2:54:20 Boston Marathon 4/17/06*

6. (28) 2:54:36 Boston Marathon 4/19/93

7. (32) 2:55:16 Boston Marathon 4/16/07*

7. (36) 2:55:54 Boston Marathon 4/20/87

8. (41) 2:57:21 Boston Marathon 4/18/05*

9. (43) 2:58:09 Boston Marathon 4/20/92

10. (49) 2:59:45 Boston Marathon 4/15/02*

11. (51) 3:00:01 Boston Marathon 4/18/96*

12. (57) 3:07:36 Boston Marathon 4/16/79

13. (62) 3:18:23 Boston Marathon 4/21/03*

14. (63) 3:20:56 Boston Marathon 4/19/04*

* chip timed

Sugarloaf Marathon 13 races

Number / Rank ( ) / Event / Date

1. (1) 2:39:10 Sugarloaf Marathon 8/26/84

2. (3) 2:39:57 Sugarloaf Marathon 8/25/85

3. (5) 2:40:47 Sugarloaf Marathon 5/10/90

4. (6) 2:42:08 Sugarloaf Marathon 5/19/91

5. (16) 2:47:55 Sugarloaf Marathon 5/17/92

6. (21) 2:52:21 Sugarloaf Marathon 8/24/86

7. (25) 2:53:50 Sugarloaf Marathon 5/19/02

8. (28) 2:54:23 Sugarloaf Marathon 5/15/05

9. (38) 2:56:04 Sugarloaf Marathon 5/20/07

10. (39) 2:56:17 Sugarloaf Marathon 5/21/06

11. (40) 2:57:04 Sugarloaf Marathon 5/18/03

12.(46) 2:58:51 Sugarloaf Marathon 5/16/04

13.(48) 2:59:40 Sugarloaf Marathon 8/28/83

New York City Marathon 11 races

Number / Rank ( ) / Event / Date

1. (2) 2:39:20 New York Marathon 10/25/81

2. (8) 2:42:52 New York Marathon 10/26/88

3. (9) 2:44:36 New York Marathon 11/04/89

4. (11) 2:46:21 New York Marathon 10/26/82

5. (18) 2:48:10 New York Marathon 10/26/80

6. (37) 2:55:57 New York Marathon 11/03/02*

7. (33) 2:55:21 New York Marathon 11/02/03*

8. (43) 2:58:18 New York Marathon 11/05/06 (chip* 2:56:57)

9. (45) 2:58:47 New York Marathon 11/04/07*

10.(54) 3:04:34 New York Marathon 11/06/05*

11.(60) 3:12:14 New York Marathon 11/07/04*

12. DNF 10/28/84

*chip timed

Paul Bunyan Marathon 4 races

Number / Rank ( ) / Event / Date

1. (22) 2:52:41 Paul Bunyan Marathon 7/15/78

2. (60) 3:08:43 Paul Bunyan Marathon 7/14/79

3. (61) 3:15:17 Paul Bunyan Marathon 7/16/06

3. (67) 3:42:08 Paul Bunyan Marathon 7/16/77

Other Marathons 20 races

Number / Rank ( ) / Event / Date

1. (7) 2:42:47 Casco Bay Marathon 10/04/92

2. (10) 2:44:59 Rhode Island Marathon 11/01/92

3. (13) 2:47:18 Boston Peace Marathon 11/23/86

4. (14) 2:47:26 Sarasota Marathon 03/05/06*

5. (15) 2:47:34 Iceberg Marathon 3/01/81

6. (17) 2:48:05 Philadelphia Marathon 11/19/06*

7. (20) 2:52:13 Sarasota Marathon 3/04/07*

8. (26) 2:54:18 Las Vegas Marathon 1/25/04*

9. (30) 2:54:50 Pacific Shoreline 2/01/04*

10. (31) 2:55:14 Maine Marathon 10/7/07*

11. (34) 2:55:37 Maine Marathon 10/01/06*

12. (35) 2:55:46 Hyannis Marathon 2/23/03*

13. (42) 2:57:39 Johnny Miles Marathon 6/19/05*

14. (47) 2:59:08 Quebec City Marathon 8/26/07*

15. (50) 2:59:46 Baystate Marathon 10/15/95

16. (53) 3:04:09 Gulf Beaches Marathon 1/20/02*

17. (55) 3:05:57 Yonkers Marathon 9/17/06*

18. (56) 3:06:22 Nova Scotia Marathon 6/24/05

19. (59) 3:12:09 Maine Marathon 10/7/01*

20. (64) 3:33:49 Lowell Marathon 3/12/78

21. (65) 3:35:16 Miami Marathon 2/18/79

22. (66) 3:37:45 Maineiacs Marathon 9/01/78

*chip timed

Total Marathons Run per year

1977 -1

1978 -3

1979 -3

1980 -1

1981 -3

1982 -1

1983 -1

1984 -1

1985 -1

1986 -3

1987 -1

1988 -2

1989 -1

1990 -1

1991 -2

1992 -4

1993 -1

1994 -0

1995 -1

1996 -1

1997 -0

1998 -0

1999 -0

2000 -0

2001 -1

2002 -4

2003 -4

2004 -5

2005- 5

2006- 9

2007- 7

Total 67

some other interesting long runs

3/20/93 3:49:01 50K Fund raising run entirely on Cranberry Island, Marathon split 3:15:30

11/ /82 6:21 50 miles Rowdy Ultra, Bowdoin Maine 4th place overall, Marathon split 3:11:30

9/8/02 3:33:08 Ran Mount Desert Island Marathon course as a training run.

10/?/03 3:12:36 Ran Mount Desert Island Marathon course as a training run.

11/27/04 4:39:38 Knickerbocker 60K 2nd place overall

01/01/05 3:10:28 Ran Boston Marathon course, NEW YEAR

02/06/05 3:12:16 Ran MDI Marathon course in reverse SW to BH.

02/13/05 3:57:11 Ran from start of MDI to 25k mark and return, 50K total (mara split 3:21:09)

09/10/05 Ran track marathon at MDIHS 2:59:14 (stopped 120 yards short)

01/01/06 Ran Boston Marathon course 3:19:55 NEW YEAR

01/01/07 Ran Boston Marathon course 3:24:40 NEW YEAR

AWESOME. i think i ran by you in brooklyn (tall guy in an orange shirt who offered you some words of encouragement after i read the sign on your back) on fourth avenue. i also ran a sub-3, and you are an inspiration to keep up the work.

shaggy wrote:

AWESOME. i think i ran by you in brooklyn (tall guy in an orange shirt who offered you some words of encouragement after i read the sign on your back) on fourth avenue. i also ran a sub-3, and you are an inspiration to keep up the work.

thats fun that was me, the sign (homemade bib number) said:

Attempting 50th Sub 3

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I heard you and it helped!!!

shaggy wrote:

AWESOME. i think i ran by you in brooklyn (tall guy in an orange shirt who offered you some words of encouragement after i read the sign on your back) on fourth avenue. i also ran a sub-3, and you are an inspiration to keep up the work.

thats fun that was me, the sign (homemade bib number) said:

Attempting 50th Sub 3

crowrunning.com

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I heard you and it helped!!! Great job what was your time?

shaggy wrote:

AWESOME. i think i ran by you in brooklyn (tall guy in an orange shirt who offered you some words of encouragement after i read the sign on your back) on fourth avenue. i also ran a sub-3, and you are an inspiration to keep up the work.

thats fun that was me, the sign (homemade bib number) said:

Attempting 50th Sub 3

crowrunning.com

for results

I heard you and it helped!!! Great job what was your time?

2:57. got too excited in the first half and was a bit off my expected time, but i was really happy to go under 3. first marathon in 10 years. i'll be back. i will have to look into running some of the races you did in new england (i spend time in CT and VT). but next stop is boston.

dkandersen wrote:

You are right to keep running fun. I like to alter my courses daily and explore someplace new often. I stopped counting miles years ago and just go with the flow of the body and mind.

By the way, I too have run marathons under 3 hrs in the 80's, 90's, and 00's.

DK

You are the real deal, I've witnessed up close what a great competitor and person you are. Nice job on 3 decades below 3! Are you still in MA? If so come to Hopkinton on 1-1-08 to run the 4th annual New Years Boston Marathon with me. I started doing this 3 years ago as one one man tribute to what is arguabley the greatest piece of road in the world to running. A fun side thing is I guess I am unoffically the first to run the Boston course in the new calendar year. (probably am unless some nut starts between midnight and 6 am) I start running at 6am sharp. There is no traffic as everybody is in bed from new years eve celebrations. Its just a run not a race.

Heres a fun pic I clicked along the way.

where are those 'presumed' warm Wellesley girls when you really need them...laugh!

you going back to Boston in April?

shaggy wrote:

2:57. got too excited in the first half and was a bit off my expected time, but i was really happy to go under 3. first marathon in 10 years. i'll be back. i will have to look into running some of the races you did in new england (i spend time in CT and VT). but next stop is boston.

cool Run Sugarloaf after Boston, You'll hammer it. Its a little known fact but the training effect of Boston's downhills gets you ready for 16+ miles of downhills at Sugarloaf and you can knock 8-10 minutes off whatever you run in Boston. Also we have a team:

in Boston and you'd be a welcome addition. Just let me know and I'll add you to our team roster. This won't effect your individual time/place etc

heres our team result (8th) from last year:

28-timer wrote:

you going back to Boston in April?

see you there!

see you there!

this will be my 15th straight trip up for the Patriot's Day extravaganza

we'll have to touch base sometime before then and figure out a way to say hello