Matt Carpenter vs. Jurek vs. Krupicka

Very true!!!

mastersfattie wrote:

the Seattle course was hard, it was the first time it was raced i believe...

Uli just cruised as he had run the marathon at the World's in Osaka just a few weeks prior..SF will be a tough course with all the options out there..but does anyone know if Carpenter is even registered?

What pisses me off is that most of the other guys including people like Meltzer aren't running because they don't think they can beat either of those guys..so the "won more than half his ultras" is a bit DK'ish because he chooses events he can win...

I sort of agree about the Meltzer thing--but, he can't really be accused of ducking competition: he went up against Jurek at Hardrock this year and was beat; he went up against the all-star field at Mont Blanc and ended up dropping out (the last of the big American names to drop, incidentally). I hear he's doing the Grand Slam next year which means he'll be forced to run against basically all the big names.

Carpenter will run--the prize money is $10K! Krupicka is hurt, so he's out. Meltzer has said on his blog (and, I think it makes some sense) that the way to increase the competition is not to just offer $10K to the winner, but offer the winner, say, $7K and spread out the rest over the next two places. That way, people will still show up even if someone like Steidl or Carpenter does and will continue to run hard even if they know they're not going to win.

Jurek had a DNF at Tour du Mont Blanc this year.

Would be nice to see Dave Mackey in the North Face 50 after setting the Grand Canyon rim to rim to rim record last weekend. He ran close to Carpenter at Pikes this year and always seems to be competitive.

Mackey beat Kyle's record? If so, thats awesome.

I heard Mackey went under 7 hours and crushed Skaggs record.

Mackey ran 6:59 I believe, supposedly with a 12 minute delay behind a mule train. I'm sure he absolutely pounded the descents.

miamiredhawk wrote:

Jurek had a DNF at Tour du Mont Blanc this year.

If you need to post that, post that he won the Spartathalon (152 miles) a few weeks later. That influenced his decision to drop. Spartathlon victory was second consecutive and a fast (for the course) time.

I was posting Jurek's DNF in response to an earlier post that said that he had never had a bad 100 mile race. Nothing against Jurek, just showing that he, like everyone, is beatable at the distance.

Every time we start this discussion nobody mentions Jonathan Wyatt. Jonathan Wyatt would spank of all them. Carpenter hasn't come within 3 minutes of his time at Mount Washington. And he spends his free time running marathons up mountains in the Swiss Alps. Oh and he came in top 20 at the 2004 Olympic marathon.

http://www.geocities.com/jonospulse/runningstats.html

...and every time someone brings Wyatt up, we all say that Mt. Washington and marathons in the Alps doesn't equate to the 100 mile distance.

Trailer Hitch wrote:

iLUVuGuys wrote:

please, these guys couldnt finish in top 100 NCAA DI meet!

well, maybe Carpenter but not top 25!

So what? The top 25 NCAA guys probably can't finish in the top 10 of a 100 mile trail run at altitude. See assumed Asafa Powell quote above.

I'd say almost all couldn't even finish a 100 mile run. Its a different animal altogether. A long marathon training run is between 22 to 26 miles. Most of the top ultra runners put down long runs of 35-40 miles. The conditioning factor is completely different. A 14:00 5k, 30:00 10k, 2:10 marathon, ect is never going to equate to a good ultra marathoner. How many excellent marathoners drop out of races because of injury fatigue ect. Ultras are almost an entirely different sport altogether, until you run one you'll never carry a large amount of respect. I mean most people just see 50, 100 miles as another number.

Next time you do you 22 mile marathon training run, get some water and see if you can go out for another 13 miles. Afterwards, if you do, just think; 15 more miles and you're halfway there.

ask krupicka.... www.antonkrupicka.blogspot.com