hsrunnerz wrote:
Did motram not run less then 3 seconds off the world record in the 2 mile; 8:01?
You are correct, Mottram did NOT run 8:01.
hsrunnerz wrote:
Did motram not run less then 3 seconds off the world record in the 2 mile; 8:01?
You are correct, Mottram did NOT run 8:01.
Mottram ran 8:03, about 5 seconds off. El G ran 7:23 in his only serious attempt at a 3k. Had he trained for it, I think he would have killed 7:20.
RFXCrunner wrote:
Mottram ran 8:03, about 5 seconds off. El G ran 7:23 in his only serious attempt at a 3k. Had he trained for it, I think he would have killed 7:20.
I know this has been beaten to death, but I agree. If El G had focused on it and raced it a few times he probably could have run 7:17 or so. I mean, when you can run 54.x for nearly 4 laps, what's 4 seconds slower per lap for 7.5 laps?
and i reckon he could have got close to the 5k record- maybe not beat it- but he ran 1 serious 5k paced race and ran 12.50- when he was still focusing on 1500m- this would suggest at least sub 12.45 and close to 12.40-if he moved up to the 5k properly after 2004. Come to think of it i think he would have won the 1500/5k double at the last two wc's if he hadnt retired.
7.23 is an amazing time for el g at 3k when you think he trained purely as a miler and his training didnt really focus on the type of big mileage that most 3k/5k/ athletes do.
yep fo sho wrote:
RFXCrunner wrote:Mottram ran 8:03, about 5 seconds off. El G ran 7:23 in his only serious attempt at a 3k. Had he trained for it, I think he would have killed 7:20.
I know this has been beaten to death, but I agree. If El G had focused on it and raced it a few times he probably could have run 7:17 or so. I mean, when you can run 54.x for nearly 4 laps, what's 4 seconds slower per lap for 7.5 laps?
So what do you think Daniel Komen could have run for 3K had HE trained for it. Nobody really trains for the 3K, they race it as training for the 5K or as strength for the 1500.
In Komens case and El G's they happened to put some focus on that race when they approached it, but Komen was certainly focussing on 5K's just as much. It was more like "If I'm running this well in the 5K, and this well in the 1500, and my juice is strong, I might as well bury that 3K." In fact I would guess that El G put more pre-race prep into taking the record from Komen then Komen did when he set it. Komen was running very fast in all events 1500-5K the summer he set that.
When Komen finished that 3K, his cheeks were bouncing like jello and he crossed the line looking like he was reaching for as much oxygen as a 10 step walk would require. Granted his eyes were bloodshot to all get out.
When El G tried to break it, you could just see him humbled. He (and many others) thought he had all the tools to do it. But it still didn't add up to him going out there and doing what Daniel Komen did in his prime.
3000 Meter King wrote:
he crossed the line looking like he was reaching for as much oxygen as a 10 step walk would require.
That has got to be one of the worst and most awkward similes of all time.
[quote}He holds the 2 meter record also?[/quote]
Damn, you beat me to the punch on this one. :)
somehomodude wrote:
3000 Meter King wrote:he crossed the line looking like he was reaching for as much oxygen as a 10 step walk would require.
That has got to be one of the worst and most awkward similes of all time.
I agree - that simile is like an elephant with an erection in a children's playground.
There it is, Homer...the cleverest thing you'll ever say and nobody was around to hear it.
Saying El-G didn't prepared for longer distances is a joke.. He had as much strenght as Komen... I have a video at home where you can see El-G doing a track session of 7 x 1500m in 3:45 with the help of 3 or 4 rabbits.. with just over 2 minutes of rest between... It was just crazy... This training was done right around the time he ran his 7:23 3k and he started to openly talk about running a couple of 5 k's. So El-G's training was more similar to Komen's training than to a guy like Morceli...
El-G at his best might have been 7:23...
El-G at his best might have been 7:23...[/quote]
...He did run 7:23, simp.
Tony Soprano wrote:
El-G at his best might have been 7:23...
...He did run 7:23, simp.[/quote]
Note that the "simp" also wrote "around the time he ran his 7:23 3k," so I think he is aware of that fact. Thanks, however, for raising the level of discourse here.
So, I'm the a-hole and he's the one who can't remember what he wrote 2 lines before. Is there a problem?
I think that Mateo was subtely saying that 7:23 was Hicham's best at 3,000m.
Of course he was subtly saying that, but it's obviously bullshit because he DID run 7:23 in his ONE LEGIT ATTEMPT AT THE DISTANCE. It's absolutely *ridiculous* to think he couldn't have run at least a second faster with more attempts at the distance. He probably could've run just as fast as Komen at 5k too. He had a lot more speed than Komen, and almost just as much endurance. He probably would've won at least 1/3, if not more than 1/2 of his encounters against the Kenyan WR-holder.
I knew I'd spelt 'subtly' wrong.
I agree that Hicham could have run faster at 3,000m and perhaps gone sub 7:20. 12:45 might have been possible for him at 5,000m but not 12:39. El Guerrouj would have defeated Komen in most races at the 3 but probably not the 5. See Zurich '96 and Athens '97 for references.
What Komen could have run for 1500 and the mile, if he had really focused on those distances.. He only ran a few fast 1500's and miles and still has impressive pb of 2:29'46 and 3:46'XX. El-G would've been spanked probably 8 times out of 10 by Komen in a FAST 3k or 5k.
7.20 3k- wrote:
and i reckon he could have got close to the 5k record- maybe not beat it- but he ran 1 serious 5k paced race and ran 12.50- when he was still focusing on 1500m- this would suggest at least sub 12.45 and close to 12.40-if he moved up to the 5k properly after 2004. Come to think of it i think he would have won the 1500/5k double at the last two wc's if he hadnt retired.
7.23 is an amazing time for el g at 3k when you think he trained purely as a miler and his training didnt really focus on the type of big mileage that most 3k/5k/ athletes do.
You mean high mileage like the 120mi weeks El Guerrouj put in his base phase?
Mateo wrote:
What Komen could have run for 1500 and the mile, if he had really focused on those distances.. He only ran a few fast 1500's and miles and still has impressive pb of 2:29'46 and 3:46'XX. El-G would've been spanked probably 8 times out of 10 by Komen in a FAST 3k or 5k.
Absolutely! It's not like El G was doing at 10K debut, it's a 3K, he ran plenty of 1500's miles and 2K's as well as some 5K's. It was a target when he ran it and he couldn't get there. If he thought he had unfinished business with it, he surely would have tried again. Problem with that is, what if you run 7:24 or 7:25, then you've basically proven you don't have a shot. Better to get within 3 seconds and walk away.