Bullshite. I am running in New York, and I'm not getting the space to warm up or the special water bottles that Tergat will have.
mjr wrote:
it is against the rules of the sport to offer something to one set of athletes and deny it to another...this is a direct violation of the rules and makes the event sanction invalid, thus negating the results for everyone.
what if a B qualifer, runs a 2:14 under tough weather or something and gets 3rd place. Would he be on the Olympic Team?
Since this rule was announced just recently (after qualification standards had been announced) I would guess that some of the B standard guys perhaps eased up at the end of a marathon knowing fully that they had qualified for the trials with a B standard and that there was no need to risk injury just to hit the A standard. Had this information been made public along with the A and B standard qualifications I imagine this water bottle dilemma would not be an issue and would be a simple "consequence" of hitting the B standard. It is simply unethical and irresponsible to establish such rules ex post facto.
Man up wrote:
Quit playing the victim and run faster. If the track qualifiers (which is crap to begin with) want bottles, man up and run a legitimate qualifying marathon time.
If you had experience racing long distances you would be well aware that drinking from a squirt bottle (as opposed to a cup) provides a great advantage in both being able to run with the bottle and with ingesting the fluid. Additionally, if the B-standard runners are being provided with just water and/or gatorade this again provides a legitimately noteworthy disadvantage as opposed to the A-standard runners who will be able to provide themselves with special fluids.Get those "Second Class" shirts ready and let's hope for the year of the underdog.
thehehe wrote:
its f***ing water bottles. it is not like they are giving the a qualifiers epo injections in the weeks leading up to the trials or giving them jet-packs at 5 mile check points. the b qualifiers can bring their own. big deal.
[quote]bull wrote:
Bullshite. I am running in New York, and I'm not getting the space to warm up or the special water bottles that Tergat will have.[quote]
Tergat is not running in the US OT, neither are you.
IT IS NOT THE COST OF THE BOTTLES...they wont let "B" dudes have bottles.
Maybe they don't want Carney to get in Hall's way or What if a 'B' athlete finished 4th right behind an A athlete... protest? And then Sam and Mary and the rest of the superior NYRR who apparently can't handle the event might go...uh oh.
I ran a few marathons under 225 but never broke 220....i never had any special water bottles....its a mental thing...get over it....bfd
The drinks issue aside, I think that the awarding of the Trials to NYC was perhaps one of the worst decisions made by the USATF.
I think that Akron, Ohio, (or was it Toledo?) would have been the best choice.
Even though I ran like crap in Birmingham, I was treated very nicely by the race organizers before, during AND after the race. They did a great job, but yes that race is a bad memory for me.
The NYRRC is a great organization, but they should focus on what they do best: Putting on a truly spectacular 5-borough marathon for the elites and the masses.
They said that NYC will allow for more media exposure. So fk'n what!?!?!! The 2004 Trials races, in February and April, produced 2 medallists, and there was not a huge amount of media exposure.
I couldn't agree more - the NYRRC is using the trials as a means of exploiting Olympic hopefuls for $$$ and publicity. Shameful.
MAYEROFF wrote:
The drinks issue aside, I think that the awarding of the Trials to NYC was perhaps one of the worst decisions made by the USATF.
The NYRRC is a great organization, but they should focus on what they do best: Putting on a truly spectacular 5-borough marathon for the elites and the masses.
They said that NYC will allow for more media exposure. So fk'n what!?!?!! The 2004 Trials races, in February and April, produced 2 medallists, and there was not a huge amount of media exposure.
>its f***ing water bottles. it is not like they are giving the a qualifiers epo injections in the weeks leading up to the trials or giving them jet-packs at 5 mile check points.
Ask Tergat about missing his bottle and taking race provided water and his ensuing cramp that caused him to drop back because of how cold it was. Just sayin'.
I agree with MAYEROFF (for once)
the course..sucks
media exposure...no better than before
as an "a" qualifier, I could care less about what I drink on the course. I qualified with cups, why can't I run the trials sans water bottles?
adding the "b" qualifiers to the water bottle list WILL make it more complicated so I say this:
USATF/NYRR find a way to make it work for everyone, or give us ALL generic water stops.
You no get. You dum-dum.
txRUNNERgirl wrote:
I've got a sack full of plastic bottles in my kitchen that I've gotten for free and hardly use. I was planning to throw them away, but that was before I found out they are such a commodity.
tx, you crack me up :)
parfait wrote:
If you had experience racing long distances you would be well aware that drinking from a squirt bottle (as opposed to a cup) provides a great advantage in both being able to run with the bottle and with ingesting the fluid.
Additionally, if the B-standard runners are being provided with just water and/or gatorade this again provides a legitimately noteworthy disadvantage as opposed to the A-standard runners who will be able to provide themselves with special fluids.
Get those "Second Class" shirts ready and let's hope for the year of the underdog.
thehehe wrote:
its f***ing water bottles. it is not like they are giving the a qualifiers epo injections in the weeks leading up to the trials or giving them jet-packs at 5 mile check points. the b qualifiers can bring their own. big deal.
To add, it's being able to take your own fluids that you've likely trained/prepared with, whether that's Endurox, Accelerade, Gatorade, Powerade, etc.. Of course it makes a 'huge' difference in an event where you're depleting your glycogen (and suffering fatigue from it). This isn't just about having bottles, but more importantly having hands to hand off the bottles or a table to pick up your own uniquely formulated drink.
At the last Trials, you had bottles, could prepare your own fluids, and had an assigned table/spot on the table. It was very well organized! Took away a lot of frustration.
what if.... wrote:
what if a B qualifer, runs a 2:14 under tough weather or something and gets 3rd place. Would he be on the Olympic Team?
u argue about water bottles but don't know the answer to a much more important ?
This is WEAK.
If you run in a race of national caliber then everyone should be treated the same. They made it in. They're fast enough to be in the Olympic Trials. Why not treat them like they made it in?
Sure, you can argue they have a "B" standard, but the reality is it's a lot faster than most anyone here has, or ever will, run.
IT's more likely just logistics. Usually the elite table has like 20 men and 20 women's bottles. ONce you get up to 80 or so it could get retty complicted.
Many of the top runners don't even need special bottles, more women than male elites go for the custom bottles.
If Oscar Pistorius is not allowed by the IOC to compete with artificially enhanced legs, then "A" standard qualifiers should not be allowed by the USOC to compete with artificially enhanced water.
truth and beauty wrote:
I agree with MAYEROFF (for once)
the course..sucks
media exposure...no better than before
as an "a" qualifier, I could care less about what I drink on the course. I qualified with cups, why can't I run the trials sans water bottles?
adding the "b" qualifiers to the water bottle list WILL make it more complicated so I say this:
USATF/NYRR find a way to make it work for everyone, or give us ALL generic water stops.
The course is a separate issue. Central Park is one of my favorite places to train in the world. As a marathon venue, however, I think that it's a little bit too hilly.
What makes our sport so beautiful is the equality and accessibility of it all. Qualifying for the Olympic Trials is a big deal, and the staff at the NYRRC should take care of all competitors equally.
Jason
Mandingo wrote:
IT's more likely just logistics. Usually the elite table has like 20 men and 20 women's bottles. ONce you get up to 80 or so it could get retty complicted.
Many of the top runners don't even need special bottles, more women than male elites go for the custom bottles.
yeah, which is why they should probably just not let anyone have them.
what has been the protocol in the past on this?