ttc - you are entitled to your opinion, but I would just like to point out that Webb himself was mystified as to why he ran relatively slow at the Pre 2 miler. I think he and Raczko have a decent idea of what Webb should be doing now, and he clearly was expecting a much better performance that day. He believes it was an off day and that's enough to convince me.
ttc wrote:
sneeps wrote:Agreed. If you listen to the phone interview with Webb and the Rojos it is clear that he simply just had an off day. He said that he went from feeling great to really bad at the 1200 point. There is no logical explanation for this other than it was simply an off day. No need to overanalyze it. He ran 8:11 2 years ago and he's way better than that now.
IMO, he didn't have an off day (8:23). He's a speed miler now, and has stated to emphasize the speed in training, while before it was the strength. He's better than 2 years ago, but not at the endurance events. Take him the last 2 seasons, and I would give him a shot at 12:58. But not now. Even the 8:11 isn't an argument for it. That's an early season BK mark... not a peak mark. Teg's at 8:07, but can't beat BK's 3K.
Didn't Webb run 27:34 last year in the 10K?
If you ever look over the all-time performances lists, you'll notice that Kennedy ran several races between 13:00-13:05 only breaking 13 a couple of times. Now not everyone is going to follow the same pattern. However, it did show he was consistently strong and consistently pushing the border of sub 13.
Teg has only broken 13:05 one time, and it was by .1 of a second. That was a year ago now.
Solinksy just PRed big time and it's unlikely that he'd drop another 14 seconds just as easily.
Webb has been focusing on the shorter events, but he could possibly break 13:05, not sure about 13 flat.
I'm not trying to say that these runners can't get the American Record, but they'd need a very special race for it to happen.
Teg hasn't taken too many shots at it over the summer, running some 15's and 3k's and the 5k at slightly elevated Lausanne, but the PRs haven't come as easily as they had been.
Webb seems like he would have the best chance since has raced it seriously so few times. I'd like to see him race one, but obviously Worlds is the biggest priority right now. Maybe after Worlds he can run a 5k before the season completely ends?
ttc wrote:
IMO, he didn't have an off day (8:23).
IMO, you're a 'tard...
sneeps wrote:
ttc - you are entitled to your opinion, but I would just like to point out that Webb himself was mystified as to why he ran relatively slow at the Pre 2 miler. I think he and Raczko have a decent idea of what Webb should be doing now, and he clearly was expecting a much better performance that day. He believes it was an off day and that's enough to convince me.
Good point. I'm not about to argue against Razcko's & Webb's opinion on that. But Webb's still a speed miler now... and when he had the strength, he was still unable to come close to duplicating what BK did, in the 3K or 5K. Sure if he gave himself more chances, then maybe he'd come closer. But to assume he'd take off 1 second/lap and go from 13:10 to 12:58 (or better) is too big of a conclusion. BK's 12:58 & 7:30 are huge.
Just like we can't assume every promising miler will break 3:46.91, we can't assume anyone with 5K ability will break 12:58. We've had like 8-10 runners in the past few years who "have sub-13:00 in their future".
the pr's have actually come pretty easy to teg this year, as he has a huge 2 mile pr, his first American record, at 8:07, and a nice 1500m pr, 3:34.2). the first was at pre, the second in europe. his 3k in europe wasn't far off his pr, less than 3 seconds. but we expected he would run some really impressive times at 3k and 5k, based on the 2 mile and the 1500m, and so far he hasn't done it. a bit disappointing, but maybe he will get another chance soon. the recent 1500m at 3:36 wasn't bad in a trafficky, slow race, to coin a word. i'd like to see him in a fast 5k soon.
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For Great Justice wrote:
mt wrote:When did this happen?
When did he make a WC final?
Lukezic made the World Indoor Championship Final in 2006 when he was 21 and was the first person to miss the final in Helsinki in 2005. He in no way has a medal though and isn't even in the same league as Webb. He could be in a few years time, but that remains to be seen.
Lukezic made the finals of the World Indoor Championships last year.
thank you for clarifying that 2006 was last year.
Are you actually serious? He's a speed miler suddenly, what a joke. When he shifts training back to strength he will break the 5k AR. Are you the same type that said he had no speed or future at 1500 when he did some endurance training in 05' 06'?
Jebediah Springfield wrote:
Are you actually serious? He's a speed miler suddenly, what a joke. When he shifts training back to strength he will break the 5k AR. Are you the same type that said he had no speed or future at 1500 when he did some endurance training in 05' 06'?
Exactly. When he shifts his training emphasis to strength. I said in an earlier post that I'd give him a shot, though to conclude he'd get it is too big.
I never criticized his future in the 1500M, and was one of the few to give him props for his WC race, when he tried to win. In addition, I'm the ONLY one who stuck by Webb in 2002-03. It's pretty ignorant to make accusations, because I don't think he's a better 5K'er than BK.
Sarcastic Third Tit wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:How many medals has Webb won? Times are relative, medals are eternal.
Alan
Oh, time is not relative except at speeds near that of light.
there is no sudden cutoff value value for relativity. it's always relative
People are still trying to turn this guy into a 5k runner. He is a miler plain and simple. What else does he have to do to prove this?