There was also a Finn called Penti Rummako who ran 2:14 in 1970 or so with a 5,000 best of 14:36 and a Kiwi called Graham Macky (hope I spelled that right) with a 5,000 that was just a bit lower than 15, though I don't know exactly what his best is.
There was also a Finn called Penti Rummako who ran 2:14 in 1970 or so with a 5,000 best of 14:36 and a Kiwi called Graham Macky (hope I spelled that right) with a 5,000 that was just a bit lower than 15, though I don't know exactly what his best is.
Paula Radcliffe is one of the guys. 14:31 5K and 2H15:25 in London. What a star!
Gotta be Kevin Collins, broken 15 like 1 time in the past 3 years but just ran mid 2:15
i ran almost more than a hour, i would rather ran 1x a day 1 hour '15 than, 2 x 30 and 45. i really long ran on the weekend,5'45-6 minute pace(started at 13 miles, all the way to 22) a lots of 3/4 x 5k on the track at the marathon pace, with 3 minutes in terval. a lots of 20 up to 30 x 400 on the track, little fast than the my marathon pace, with 45 sec, / 1 minute intervals. when i had a race to do, exemplo, i had i half marathon on sunday, i would 15 miles at a confortable pace day before. then i would jog to the race, sometimes were 5, 8 miles, i would race, then i would jog back.(yes a 23-28 miles day) if i ran the half at the marathon pace, i knew when i would rest i would be able to run the marathon on that pace. i was compete tired, i would always let and not care who beats me, because i knew i was trainning fo a marathon.lots of volume. i still believe in an old trainning method. now days we talk SO MUCH about scientific language, this and that and bla, bla, bla, ......but we gotta remenber how fast bill rodgers, shorter, greg meyer, breadsley,salazar, bjorkland, tabb, and many others ran 25 / 30 years ago. American distance runners, specially marathoners it is sad to watch. Now days, a guy ran 2'11 everybody says WOW!! come on, PLEASE!DERek clayton, ran, 2'08, 40 years ago.Bud edelen ran 2'14, an america , in the early 60's.WE NEED TO THINK MORE LIKE THE OLD DAYS AND THE RESULTS WILL GET BETTER.
Dossantos, thank you for sharing your training before you sub 2:11 marathon. I see that you really ran a lot of steady distance and didn't run too fast in your track training which is different than a lot of people who hammer their intervals. By the way, how many kilometers per week were you running (or in miles or time) in your preparation for your marathons? Also, how many weeks would you run such distance training?
Dossantos knows what he's talkin' about...
Death Before Dishonor.
Train Hard, REALLY HARD and if you don't kill yourself, you'll be just awesome.
Why are you guys so hard on Jason as a runner. I in no way condone his part in the trade of women for money (in fact I despise it), but he is still a great runner and has worked very hard to be one. He is currently the 31st fastest marathoner in America which leads me to believe that most people who dog him about being slow, are indeed much slower than he. I think it is pretty cool that he posts regularly and lets everyone know who he really is. I happen to know a few elites that are much faster than Jason that get on here, but never post under their real identity. So for all of us who are slower than Jason, please do not dog him for being slow. If you dislike his other things about him, call him out on those. He is good and has run 26.2 miles under 5:20 pace. Something I can barely imagine at this point in my running career.
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Why are you guys so hard on Jason as a runner. I in no way condone his part in the trade of women for money (in fact I despise it), but he is still a great runner and has worked very hard to be one. He is currently the 31st fastest marathoner in America which leads me to believe that most people who dog him about being slow, are indeed much slower than he. I think it is pretty cool that he posts regularly and lets everyone know who he really is. I happen to know a few elites that are much faster than Jason that get on here, but never post under their real identity. So for all of us who are slower than Jason, please do not dog him for being slow. If you dislike his other things about him, call him out on those. He is good and has run 26.2 miles under 5:20 pace. Something I can barely imagine at this point in my running career.
Jason may be fast(ish) -though on the international scale his results are insignificant- and he is to be commended for that. But this is not about being good; this is about being an ass. He has no qualms trying to discredit people who are much more commendable than him... Why shouldn't the same happen to him.
What's more, he logs onto this board, so can defend himself. Radcliffe and Khannouchi don't.
Collins; one of the few guys I know that races a 15k and the marathon at the same damned pace.
i always had a 12 week trainning, starting 60 miles a week,ending 150, at 3 weeks before the marathon. i had time i was ru nning 1 hour 30 minutes as my regular daily ran. remenber i ran mostly 1 x a day. i would rather ran 1hour 30, 1 x, than 2 x 45 minuts. i did not care if i would get tired , i had 24 hours to rest. my body was running 1 hour 30 minutes ,, and i would feel like a 45 minute run. like i said now, we are SO WORRY about talking a SCIENTIFIC LANGUAGE when cames to trainning, and it is SO SIMPLE, VOLUME, VOLUME, VOLUME. we have all these sports drinks, Power bar and bla, bla, bla.............ALL BULL SHIT. Power Bar is good Do you know for whom? Brian Maxwell, because made him a Milionaire. The best drink is....WATER, the best enrgy bars.................FOOD, FRUITS, VEGETABLES.......breaks my heart, seeing all this guys becaming american citizen, and winning races, and not giving a chance to the REAL AMERICANS.....breaks my heart see a 41 year old Belgium, be the first american at Boston marathon. breaks my heart Dan browne ran 2 ' 11 marathon and everybody goes.....WOW. Guys, bill Rodgers ran , 2'09'55, in 1975, wearing a t-shirt, ans stoping 4 x to tie his shoes. PLEASE!!! WAKE UP USA!! YOU GUY HAS ALL YOU NEED TO BE BACK ON THE TOP!! Remenber again, BUDDY EDELEN ran, in 2 14 in 1964, wearing a shoe as heavy as the shoes that i wear to go to work now. GUYS, running is so simple, VOLUME, EAT WELL, sleep well, volume, eat well, sleep well,volume, eat well, sleep well, volume , volume.YES, IS THAT SIMPLE. Forget about this "quality" trainning, all bull shit. YOU ARE TRAINNING FOR A MARATHON. 15 x on the track, 10 seconds faster that you marathon pace, with 1 minute interval, IS BETTER than 8x 30 second faster than your marathon pace. YOU ARE TRAINNING FOR A MARATHON. 30 x 400 for 70/72, with 45 seconds interval is better than, 15x for 65. YOU ARE TRAINNING FOR A MARATHON, I GOT go, take care ....
at the end i mention 15x on the track, that means 15x 1 mile, ok guys, i got go..................HAPPY RUNS!!!
Not to get back on topic or anything, because this is a very interesting thread. But I have run 15:12 and 2:22:03.
"We ran twice a day, sometimes three times. Twenty miles a day, sometimes more. There were a couple of 170-mile weeks... All we did was run - run, eat, and sleep." - Frank Shorter detailing his training with Jack Bacheler and Jeff Galloway prior to the 1972 Olympics (Frank won the gold medal in the marathon)
Excellent post, however dossantos, how were you able to break up your mileage at 150m/week as you stated, if you only ran once a day. Obviously, you had to have run doubles with that type of mileage.
sorry, my mistake,................i would be 120 range