Abdirahman quietly goes to work

Sub 28:00 by era

1984-1987 - 16 performances (4 per year)

1988-1999 - 13 performances (1 per year)

2005-2006 - 13 performances (4.33 per year)

We really did suck in the 90's.

RapidV wrote:

Sub 28:00 by era

1984-1987 - 16 performances (4 per year)

1988-1999 - 13 performances (1 per year)

2005-2006 - 13 performances (4.33 per year)

We really did suck in the 90's.

Interesting, if incredibly skewed, manner of grouping.

Ultramiler wrote:

miniscule facts wrote:

Abdi has been making very consistent gains over the years. At his rate of improvement of 1 second per year, he will surely dip into the 27:20's in 2 short years.

Check out number 3 on that list. He's already been there.

Oops, I missed that. Why did he run so slow this year then?

If you are going to make comparisons, at least compare apples to apples

Sub 28:00

1984-1987 (4 years) 23 performance by 7 individuals

1988-1999 (12 years) 15 performance by 6 individuals

2004-2007 (4 years) 23 performances by 13 individuals.

txRUNNERgirl wrote:

Why exactly were the 90s so slow?

Less emphasis on distance running quantity, more focus on short/fast repeats.

A lot of coaches who were HS runners in the early/mid 90's still employ the same techniques. It essentially leaves you with a lot of 400/800 type guys.

so not even mid-year in 2007, we already see 7 sub 28 runners, one off the 1984 mark. not too shabby. the u.s. is on the upside of this distance running puzzle.

memories wrote:

It was a drought in terms of getting close to or breaking Prefontaine's AR. While not as long as Nenow's mark stood, 7 years is still a long time for the AR to stand, especially in the context of all of the legendary runners that you've cited.

Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

i believe bruce bickford was the last american man ranked #1 in the 10k by track and field news, i am unsure of the year, but it was in the 1980's.

terps wrote:

so not even mid-year in 2007, we already see 7 sub 28 runners, one off the 1984 mark. not too shabby. the u.s. is on the upside of this distance running puzzle.

Not to mention Ritz ran 28:08 on a tough road course and Hall ran 28:20 enroute to a half-marathon, and around 28:08 as preparation for London. Get those guys in a 10,000m on the track and they'll easily break 28. Josh McDougal could probably do it too if he gets in a race for a fast time, and considering what people have done already this year (I'd never really heard of Ryan Kirkpatrick (13:19) or Ed Moran (13:20/27:43), for example) there are probably a few more guys I haven't thought of with a real chance to break 28.

That's not quite at the level of the Kenyans and Ethiopians who probably get that many guys under 27, certainly, but it's a big step in the right direction for the USA.

So glad someone else brought that up. Nenow. Nenow. Nenow.

Number of times under 28

Nenow 11 (years under were 82,83,84,85,86,87,89)

Abdi 10

Meb 9

Salazar 9

Virgin 7

Culpepper 6

Kennedy 3

Williams 4

Lets not get bogged down with facts. Abdi is well on his way.

memories wrote:

It was a drought in terms of getting close to or breaking Prefontaine's AR. While not as long as Nenow's mark stood, 7 years is still a long time for the AR to stand, especially in the context of all of the legendary runners that you've cited.

perry is a dick wrote:

Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

Of course, where did I lose you?

Thanks for the comprehensive list. Didn't Greg Meyer go sub 28 during that time period, too?

Running Fan wrote:

Thanks for the comprehensive list. Didn't Greg Meyer go sub 28 during that time period, too?

Nitwit alert wrote:

1983: 3: Nenow 27:52.41, Greg Meyer 27:53.1, Jim Hill 27:55.23 (Lopes 27:23.44)

82-89 wrote:

So glad someone else brought that up. Nenow. Nenow. Nenow.

Number of times under 28

Nenow 11 (years under were 82,83,84,85,86,87,89)

Abdi 10

Meb 9

Salazar 9

Virgin 7

Culpepper 6

Kennedy 3

Williams 4

Lets not get bogged down with facts. Abdi is well on his way.

2nd and third on our USA list were both born in East Africa. USA USA USA

memories wrote:

memories wrote:

It was a drought in terms of getting close to or breaking Prefontaine's AR. While not as long as Nenow's mark stood, 7 years is still a long time for the AR to stand, especially in the context of all of the legendary runners that you've cited.

perry is a dick wrote:

Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

Of course, where did I lose you?

How about starting with the fact that within 5 years the record was broken which in itself makes your point worthless or exposes the fact that you can't count.

txRUNNERgirl wrote:

Why exactly were the 90s so slow?

Nintendo. People couldn't stop playing it.

Salazar was born in Cuba, what's your point?

picking nits wrote:

"minuscule"

Back to your old ways? Please read and heed:

82-89 wrote:

So glad someone else brought that up. Nenow. Nenow. Nenow.

Number of times under 28

Nenow 11 (years under were 82,83,84,85,86,87,89)

Abdi 10

Meb 9

Salazar 9

Virgin 7

Culpepper 6

Kennedy 3

Williams 4

Lets not get bogged down with facts. Abdi is well on his way.

Interesting that only 2 (Salazar and Abdi) have ever broken 2:09 in the marathon. It points out how unimportant 10k speed is for the marathon.