You don't need soduim, get that sht out of your head. Your body makes it automatically, and you consume too much of it.
I am going with the ovaltine/chocalat syrup w/ milk over that edurox bs. I've done it for over a year and PR big in the marathon and 10k while hittin 100+mpw
ENDUROX SUCKS
if you drink endurox, you probablly wear Nikes and take sodium tabs from your tool belt,
Point taken about sodium, but I have a problem staying hydrated and rehydrating after a run.
Also, your body does not perform nuclear chemistry. It cannot make sodium.
Endurox R4 for $.89 /serving:
http://www.personalbestnutrition.com/cgi-bin/pbn/689.html
and why the Choc Milk study may have some holes:
I was just about to post about Olvatine. Sometimes I mix it with 1/2 milk and 1/2 seltzer and it reminds me of a melted ice cream float from way back when....Anyway, I'm a fan and it's very filling, too.
C'mon man - don't buy that Quarter Pounder not being the same as fillet mignon or whatever they call hoity toity foreign crap. Everybody here knows that cheap is best! That bean stuff that gets extruded from a caulking gun at Taco Bell is just as good for you as whole beans at some expensive Mexican restaurant. Same goes for shoes, there isn't any need to buy Nikes when you can buy those "aqua shoes" at Walmart for 9.99 and Acer is every bit as good as Dell!
Thatcher wrote:
Ingredient-wise, how does it compare with Endurox Excel? (A pill containing Ciwujia and Vitamin E.)
I picked up some recently as part of my new 'try everything' regimen. Tried searching for it here, but only found threads on the other fine Endurox products.
I use both products, but I only begin using the Excel when I begin my quality workouts. Like another poster said, it could just be a placebo effect, but I knocked 5 1/2 minutes off of my half marathon time after three months of taking Endurox Excel. And the new PR was on a very hilly course vs. a flat coastal course just 10 months before.
For me, harder runs seem more manageable when taking Excel, and I do seem to "bounce back" faster after workouts. I drink regular Endurox after every run except really short (4-5 mile) recovery jogs.
R4 Luva wrote:
and why the Choc Milk study may have some holes:
I won't pretend to have all the answers, but the referenced link is written by a guy who makes his living selling Endurox so you have to question his impartiality at least as much as the study funded by the milk council.
Strange that he notes the study showing chocolate milk as being small (10 participants) and then links to four studies with 8, 8, 10, and 8 participants and cites his "own experience" (1 participant). The small size of the chocolate milk study and the fact that it was funded by an interested party are legitimate criticisms, but it is the only head to head comparison of the products.
The four studies he links do not address his points 1 (superiority of whey vs casein protein), 2 (value of vitamin C and E anti-oxidants) or 4 (value of branch chain amino acids). They may be valid points, but they aren't supported by his references.
It's really funny that he offers an alternate formula for the "cost sensitive" mixed from, you got it, other stuff he sells.
old broad wrote:
I was just about to post about Olvatine. Sometimes I mix it with 1/2 milk and 1/2 seltzer and it reminds me of a melted ice cream float from way back when....Anyway, I'm a fan and it's very filling, too.
As kind of an aside, I was listing to the
http://www.thefinalsprint.compodcast interview with Billy Mills the other day and he mentioned taking Ovaltine during the 1964 Olympic marathon. Apparently Ovaltine was a sponsor and it was available to runners on the marathon course.
Endurox is tasty, and I look forward to it after a long run. Just another part of the fetishist running lifestyle, I guess...