Boy's HS 2 mile record?

fmr wrote:

Commen Cense wrote:

Look at the Shotput lists.

I'm not sure if this is supposed to be a joke or you are just an idiot. Please clarify.

I guess if my choices are between it being a joke or me being an idiot, uh the latter?

Michael Carters 81'3.5" shotput record is often considered untouchable.

Of the top 10 All-Time (AT) throws he has 9 of them. The 2nd best guy (Brent Noon) has the 5th best performance of AT and is over 5 FEET shy of Carters mark at 76'02", that was 17 years ago.

No one else has broken 75'0". The third performer, Arnold Campbell, is at 74'10.5", 23 years ago.

No one even knocks on Carters door.

>insider< wrote:

Ortiz's bump helped Nelson, not hindered him.

As someone who was there, I can say that being knocked to the infield and almost falling down did not help Nelson. However, if you think it would help you let me know next time you're racing; I'll be happy to "help" you.

J.J. Binks wrote:

Ortiz was not in that race.

I do seem to remember Steve Ortiz being in that race.

I know this is a two-mile thread, but I witnesed Michael Carter outrun the late great Bill McChesney in an improptu 60 meter race on the track in Donyetsk, Ukraine on July 3, 1978. He was an amazing talent, like Oldfield with some humility.

Two Miler wrote:

1. Jeff Nelson 8:36.3 1979

2. Craig Virgin 8:40.9 1973 (all-high school)

3. Eric Hulst 8:50.6 1974 (sophomore)

4. Dathan Ritzenhein 8:44.43 2001 NON

5. Gerry Lindgren 8:40.00 1964 Indoor

6. Steve Prefontaine 8:41.5 1969

7. Jeff Nelson 8:42.7 1979 Indoor

8. Dave Merrick 8:43.2 1971 Indoor

9. Rick Riley 8:48.3 1966 (Lindgren in Attendance)

10. Alan Webb 8:45.1 2001 Indoor

Any reason you just ignored

8:43.2i Dave Merrick Lincoln-Way. New Lenox, IL '71

6 8:44.0 Eric Reynolds Camarillo CA '83

7 8:44.03 Alan Scharsu Fitch HS, Austintown OH '78

all faster than Ritz's time?

More interesting is how things turned out for Jeff Nelson when he went to Oregon on a full scholarship. From an LA Times Article in 1990. It makes you wonder how things would have turned out for him had Bowerman been his coach:

"So when Nelson enrolled at Oregon, the comparisons to Prefontaine--a former Oregon runner who broke every U. S. record from 2,000 through 10,000 meters--were inevitable.

Alberto Salazar--who would set U. S. records in the 5,000, 10,000 and marathon--and Rudy Chapa--who set a national record in the 3,000--were seniors at Oregon when Nelson arrived, and he was expected to follow in their footsteps.

But Nelson soon discovered the camaraderie that had existed among his teammates at Burbank was nowhere to be found at Oregon.

"Every workout was a race," said Nelson, who at 5-foot-7 and 140 pounds is 13 pounds heavier than he was as a senior at Burbank. "Every run was incredibly intense and, being a freshman, I wasn't used to it. I felt like I was being thrown to the lions. . . . Your teammates weren't really teammates. Everyone was out for blood, all the time."

Despite his uneasiness with the Oregon way of doing things, Nelson was the No. 5-man on a cross-country team that finished second in the NCAA championships.

After visiting Burbank during the Christmas break, Nelson returned to Eugene in 1980 with a renewed spirit. But things did not improve.

Nelson had a major altercation with Salazar because he--a

freshman--had the audacity to outkick the senior at the end of a workout.

"That just wasn't done up there," Kemp chuckled. "The freshmen were supposed to be cannon fodder for the stars up there, and that went against everything Jeff knew. He felt that you always gave your best." "

The lists for a race of or about two miles, as T&FN saw it in 2005(they need an update ;0 )

3000 METERS

8:03.67 Galen Rupp (Central Catholic, Portland, Oregon) 04

8:05.8 John Trautmann (Monroe-Woodbury, Central Valley, New York) 86

8:06.3i Gerry Lindgren (Rogers, Spokane, Washington) 64

8:07.60 Eric Mastalir (Jesuit, Carmichael, California) 86

8:07.6i Jeff Nelson (Burbank, California) 79

8:07.9 Steve Prefontaine (Marshfield, Coos Bay, Oregon) 69

8:08.1 Scott Fry (Perkins, Sandusky, Ohio) 85

8:08.34 Josh McDougal (Home, Peru, New York) 04

8:08.78 Dathan Ritzenhein (Rockford, Michigan) 01

8:09.0 Eric Reynolds (Camarillo, California) 83

2 MILES

8:36.3 Jeff Nelson (Burbank, California) 79

8:40.0i Gerry Lindgren (Rogers, Spokane, Washington) 64

8:40.9 Craig Virgin (Lebanon, Illinois) 73

8:41.5 Steve Prefontaine (Marshfield, Coos Bay, Oregon) 69

8:44.03 Alan Scharsu (Fitch, Austintown, Ohio) 78

8:44.0 Eric Reynolds (Camarillo, California) 83

8:44.13+ *Dathan Ritzenhein (Rockford, Michigan) 00

8:44.6 Eric Hulst (Laguna Beach, California) 76

8:44.9+ Galen Rupp (Central Catholic, Portland, Oregon) 04

8:45.19i Alan Webb (South Lakes, Reston, Virginia) 01

Combined 3000/3200/2M list (expressed as 2M):

8:36.3 Nelson

8:40.0i Lindgren

8:40.9 Virgin

8:41.5 Prefontaine

8:42.37+ Rupp

8:44.03 Scharsu

8:44.0 Reynolds

8:44.13+ Ritzenhein

8:44.6 Hulst

8:44.7+ Trautmann

Looking longer at 5,0000&10,000 (about 2/3 are 25+ years old)

5000 METERS

13:37.91 Galen Rupp (Central Catholic, Portland, Oregon) 04

13:44.0 Gerry Lindgren (Rogers, Spokane, Washington) 64

13:44.70 Dathan Ritzenhein (Rockford, Michigan) 01

13:52.8 Steve Prefontaine (Marshfield, Coos Bay, Oregon) 69

13:55.65 John Zishka (Lancaster, Ohio) 80

13:58.2 Craig Virgin (Lebanon, Illinois) 73

14:00.2 Rick Riley (Ferris, Spokane, Washington) 66

14:01.40 Eric Mastalir (Jesuit, Carmichael, California) 86

14:04.8 Alberto Salazar (Wayland, Massachusetts) 76

14:07.55 Josh McDougal (Home, Peru, New York) 04

10,000 METERS

28:32.7 Rudy Chapa (Hammond, Indiana)76

28:55.0 Eric Hulst (Laguna Beach, California) 76

29:06.8 *Bill McChesney (South, Eugene, Oregon) 76

29:09.56 Galen Rupp (Central Catholic, Portland, Oregon) 04

29:17.6 Gerry Lindgren (Rogers, Spokane, Washington) 64

29:33.1 George Watts (Edison, Alexandria, Virginia) 75

29:46.0 *Thom Hunt (Henry, San Diego, California) 75

29:54.8 Mohamed Trafeh (Duarte, California) 04

29:55.8 Terry Williams (Lompoc, California) 73

29:56.0 Robbie Perkins (Collegiate, Richmond, Virginia) 73

Nice Nelson story JonDCH,thanks

I need a link to an up to date (thru '06 anyway) HS All-time list thanks

Tom

Merrick's time was not just indoor, it was on a TINY track. One list I saw says it was less than 150m. Can anyone offer any insight into when/where this feat was accomplished?

nit picky wrote:

Two Miler wrote:

1. Jeff Nelson 8:36.3 1979

2. Craig Virgin 8:40.9 1973 (all-high school)

3. Eric Hulst 8:50.6 1974 (sophomore)

4. Dathan Ritzenhein 8:44.43 2001 NON

5. Gerry Lindgren 8:40.00 1964 Indoor

6. Steve Prefontaine 8:41.5 1969

7. Jeff Nelson 8:42.7 1979 Indoor

8. Dave Merrick 8:43.2 1971 Indoor

9. Rick Riley 8:48.3 1966 (Lindgren in Attendance)

10. Alan Webb 8:45.1 2001 Indoor

Any reason you just ignored

8:43.2i Dave Merrick Lincoln-Way. New Lenox, IL '71

6 8:44.0 Eric Reynolds Camarillo CA '83

7 8:44.03 Alan Scharsu Fitch HS, Austintown OH '78

all faster than Ritz's time?

Another ineresting thing is that he didnt start the sport until his 10th grade year in school. Most of his Soph. an Jr. years he sat out injured (back problems and stress fracture - same thing that happened in Oregon), but had a good senior year.