CW is training hard again. With increased fitness he will destroy the Ed's, Carney's, Hartman's and Boulder "B" team. Ritz and Jorge being the A's. If Jorge keeps headed south, Wells can beat him on the roads.
CW is training hard again. With increased fitness he will destroy the Ed's, Carney's, Hartman's and Boulder "B" team. Ritz and Jorge being the A's. If Jorge keeps headed south, Wells can beat him on the roads.
Froman wrote:
The list is much longer than those two who left.
i know of only 1 person that is confirmed to have left. that's shayne culpepper, and that makes total sense considering she's married with 2 kids and her husband trains and runs by himself.
i've never seen another list of people who defected. if 3, so what? do you know how often training groups get disbanded of stuff having nothing to do with the coach? like people getting married, throwing the towel in, etc?
Sarah Schwald absolutely left.
Fam really does coach himself; Watts is simply an advisor at the most.
dontworryaboutfacts wrote:
Sarah Schwald absolutely left.
Fam really does coach himself; Watts is simply an advisor at the most.
dumb ass..
ask fam personally who his coach is and wait for his response. it ain't gonna be, "me, bitches."
don't worry about the facts.
Do you know for sure what Ritzenhein's current health situation is right now, or are you just basing all your information upon what trolls post on letsrun.com? Have you talked to Dathan Ritzenehein or Brad Hudson recently? Because if you have and you know what's going on with him, I'm sure everyone would love to know.
Secondly, yes, staying injury free may have something to do with coaching. It may also have to do with the fact that in order to train at a certain level, he has to stress certain bones that have been fractured in the past. It isn't like Ritzenhein was first injured when Hudson started coaching him. Ritzenhein was injured under Wetmore as well. He could go on the rest of his life, have 10 different coaches, and get injured under all of their training, and you'd probably still be sitting at home, posting on letsrun about how he needs a new coach, yapping your mouth off like you know what he needs.
Thirdly, realize that Hartmann and Torres, and all the BPTG members have become better, faster athletes since joining Hudson's group. I didn't even know Hartmann was still running and training until he joined Hudson's group. And I don't think he was doing very well at all before he joined Hudson if was training and competing, so you can complain all you want about what little you know in an attempt to belittle Hudson and his training group, for whatever reason/grudge you have against them, but the fact remains they are better athletes today, and sometimes health issues are out of their hands.
Food for thought:
In 2006, Ritzenhein ran
28:20 for 3rd in Belfast Cross
4th at USA XC Nationals (having a bad day and finishing 4th still isn't bad)
27:35 10,000m PR
13:16 3rd place, PR @ Outdoor Nationals
27:45 10k in Europe (bad race, but the fact is a bad race for him is running only 27:45 - go figure)
61:25 Half-Marathon, 3rd Place @ BUPA HM
2:14:01 Debut Marathon, 11th place @ New York
Not a bad year really.
Yawn.
Shayne C.
Clint Wells
Justin Young
Chris Seimers
Sarah Schwald
Molly Austin
Steve Slattery
Amy Manson
Sarah Toland
Scotty Larson
Others with fewer credentials, mostly women.
Gone, as will be this thread soon I gander.
First it was Wetmore that caught shit for "ruining" Ritz, now it's Hudson. I wonder who will be next to get the "Hot Potato"?
This thread was composed to be about Hartmann, not Ritz. Hartmann has had tough luck with the marathon so far, and I suspect that he is too big a guy to run well over that distance. Sure, some have done it at his height, but one compromises running efficiency to the smaller, lighter guys over the long haul. But to blame this on Brad? Well, Hartmann just delivered a huge PR in the 10k at Stanford, doing most of the work up front. Not bad. Definitely indicates his fitness.
Go through the photos in this album, posted not quite two years ago (May 2005). Compare it with the runners pictured and mentioned on the BPTG website. Ritz is the only other member at that time not pictured. All of the rest are gone, daddy, gone. Wells, Young (who has posted about it on here), Culpepper, Manson, Larson, and the rest. None of them did it to "get married" or have kids or throw in the towel. Wells, Young, Culpepper, Manson, and Larson continued to train and compete after dumping Hudson. Wells is self-coached, Young has been with the Jones Boulder Distance Project, Culpepper is self-coached/husband-coached again.
Forgot the link http://boulderrunning.com/gallery/runtimes-hudson
4/22 wrote:
wells has been done for years now. hard to believe he once ran 27:40 and was a very good steepler.
It should be hard to believe he ran 27:40 because HE DIDN'T.
He did break 28 though didn't he?
27:56
irun wrote: Do you know for sure what Ritzenhein's current health situation is right now, or are you just basing all your information upon what trolls post on letsrun.com? Have you talked to Dathan Ritzenehein or Brad Hudson recently? Because if you have and you know what's going on with him, I'm sure everyone would love to know.
Where did you see that I commented on his "current" health situation? I said since US XC nationals, and the info on the injury that kept him out of the 8k champs was in the press. And no, not "everyone would love to know".
Secondly, yes, staying injury free may have something to do with coaching. It may also have to do with the fact that in order to train at a certain level, he has to stress certain bones that have been fractured in the past. It isn't like Ritzenhein was first injured when Hudson started coaching him. Ritzenhein was injured under Wetmore as well.
No kidding, so was Goucher. If I had an athlete, no matter how good, who kept training himself into injury by doing dumb things (easy runs too hard, racing workouts, etc.) then I'd sit him down once or twice and achieve an understanding, maybe send him to get regular massage or to get him working with a nutritionist, or send him packing. It's a waste of time and a black mark to keep working with someone who refuses to get out of his own way and behave like a true professional already.
He could go on the rest of his life, have 10 different coaches, and get injured under all of their training, and you'd probably still be sitting at home, posting on letsrun about how he needs a new coach, yapping your mouth off like you know what he needs.
Like you're sitting at home yapping your fool mouth off with all this speculative hot air? Hall was getting injured in college, too, and even did right out of college but since he's been with Mahon things have been much better. It's probably not a coincidence.
Thirdly, realize that Hartmann and Torres, and all the BPTG members have become better, faster athletes since joining Hudson's group.
And then plateaued after a year. Most of what goes into a performance in the first year under a coach has as much to do with previous training as anything else. Residual training effect.
I didn't even know Hartmann was still running and training until he joined Hudson's group.
That figures.
And I don't think he was doing very well at all before he joined Hudson if was training and competing, so you can complain all you want about what little you know in an attempt to belittle Hudson and his training group, for whatever reason/grudge you have against them, but the fact remains they are better athletes today, and sometimes health issues are out of their hands.
You clearly wouldn't know, as you just admitted above.
Food for thought:
4th at USA XC Nationals (having a bad day and finishing 4th still isn't bad)
And in 3rd was Max King. Remind me how many NCAA titles and records Max King can claim.
27:45 10k in Europe (bad race, but the fact is a bad race for him is running only 27:45 - go figure)
How many bad races/bad days are you going to mypically apologize for before the pattern hits you squarely in the nose?
61:25 Half-Marathon, 3rd Place @ BUPA HM
And what did Hall run in January without such good competition to push him, basically running solo?
2:14:01 Debut Marathon, 11th place @ New York
And beat by journeyman Peter Gilmore. Remind me how many NCAA titles or records Gilmore has to his credit.
Not a bad year really.
I wouldn't say it was bad, but I don't think there's any denying that it's well below his potential, and the same's true for every year he's had since turning pro.
How did Scotty Larsen make out today? I suppose that was Brad's fault too.
Look, I don't know Brad Hudson, nor am I familiar with his coaching repertoire, but didn't Hartmann just run like a 28:15 10k? How often do you see a BIG guy run well over 26.2 miles? And by big, I don't just mean tall. Especially in hot weather, a bigger frame has a tougher time dispelling heat.
Larson was 4th at the Trials. He's had some solid runs without ever truly popping a huge time, but he does well in competitive 'thons, not time trials. He's smart. If Hartmann is 4th or above at the Trials, I'll eat my hat. If Hudson is still his coach and he does that, I'll eat two.
And I repeat, Hartmann is too BIG for the marathon. He will not finish in the top 4 at the trials, no matter who his coach is.
Right, and so are Abdi and Brian Sell.
