Chad Hall

Galen Rupp

Diego Mercado

AJ Acosta

Shadrack Kiptoo-Biwott

Isaac Stoutenburgh

Kenny Klotz

Chad Hall

+

Vin Lannana

= Championship Dynasty

I'd bet that CU still pulls the XC title out of their ass once more in November.

CU be damned, I believe next year is the Year of the Duck

For those of you speculating Oregon / Nike paying it's athletes more than allowed... you are not correct. Oregon has the ability to get top recruites to attend with no money. Trust me, I was one of them. 1996 XC, Oregon was 3rd at Nationals, many of the members on the team received no money or only books. We attended Oregon because we wanted to, not out of greed. I know of a Pac 10 champion who was on books all 4 years. It's not all about the money, some athletes want to attend the best program and are willing to pay for that experience.

I personally passed up full rides at D1 schools to run for Oregon. Oh and I got NOTHING in compensation from Oregon.

Oregon is not in the wrong. You assume too much.

irun wrote:

Galen Rupp

Diego Mercado

AJ Acosta

Shadrack Kiptoo-Biwott

Isaac Stoutenburgh

Kenny Klotz

Chad Hall

+

Vin Lannana

= Championship Dynasty

= A meat grinder of a program

With so many talented guys (you even left a few off of your list), the attrition rate at Oregon will be tremendous. Workouts will turn into races as guys fight for the few travel spots.

If Vin DOESN'T win a cross country national championship in 2007 or 2008, he will have failed as a coach. There are 10-15 guys on the team who would be in almost any other college's top-7...Vin should be able to through these guys at the wall and have seven stick.

If you think Vin needs money, look at the teams Vin had at Dartmouth. There he had no scholarships to work with.

At Oregon he has some scholarships. On the downside, state schools like Oregon have much less money for need-based scholarships and really stick it to out-of-state students.

Why on earth would you pay money to go to a mediocre state school when you could've likely received a better education for free? Maybe it's because my family didn't have much money, but that just doesn't make much sense to me.

not impressed with u of o wrote:

irun wrote:

Galen Rupp

Diego Mercado

AJ Acosta

Shadrack Kiptoo-Biwott

Isaac Stoutenburgh

Kenny Klotz

Chad Hall

+

Vin Lannana

= Championship Dynasty

= A meat grinder of a program

With so many talented guys (you even left a few off of your list), the attrition rate at Oregon will be tremendous. Workouts will turn into races as guys fight for the few travel spots.

If Vin DOESN'T win a cross country national championship in 2007 or 2008, he will have failed as a coach. There are 10-15 guys on the team who would be in almost any other college's top-7...Vin should be able to through these guys at the wall and have seven stick.

You obviously don't know Vin's training methods. He does control workouts. If you're redlining, he pulls you out. Having said that, they are not running a pre-school with "sharing" as the most important lesson of the day.

They are trying to form a new "machine". Anyone who goes there know's what they're getting into. You go to Oregon now to be part of something huge, you may be the small fish in the big pond who runs 13:55 for 5K. Or you can go somewhere else and be the big fish and run 14:10. Guys are going to Oregon at this point to be part of something big, even if they are not the stars.

For those complaining now, get ready for years of unrest. The Mercados, Acostas and Halls at Oregon are like the Hausers, Jimmersons and Whites at the beginning of the Stanford dynasty. The snowball has just started rolling.

As for winning nationals in next fall, it's not like Wisconsin and Colorado are going to fall off the face of the planet, you are going to have several outstanding teams at nationals.

Many large state schools will waive out of state tuition as long as you are not a functional retard. Score 1200 on your SAT and more often than not, you are looking at a ton of academic aid.

Oregon isn't exactly an academic powerhouse, so I doubt Vin has to look very far to get some of these kids merit based academic aid.

I am 100% sure that they have FL kids there on no scholarship or possibly only books.

The NCAA does not permit more than 12.6 scholarships. They just do NOT.

Raubrey wrote:

They are trying to form a new "machine". Anyone who goes there know's what they're getting into. You go to Oregon now to be part of something huge, you may be the small fish in the big pond who runs 13:55 for 5K. Or you can go somewhere else and be the big fish and run 14:10. Guys are going to Oregon at this point to be part of something big, even if they are not the stars.

I guess I'm just different...I wouldn't want to spend upwards of $50,000 and not be on the nationals team to drop 15 seconds in a 5000. Maybe some guys are willing to make that trade-off. Or maybe a few too many people have bought into the Oregon hype/mystique.

not impressed with u of o wrote:

I guess I'm just different...maybe a few too many people have bought into the Oregon hype/mystique.

Sounds to me like you've never run in Eugene, raced at Hayward, or attended classes at U of O. It's a pretty kick ass place, and it could be that they just have a great combination of things to offer to kids in addition to a great program, facilities, and coaching staff.

not impressed with u of o wrote:

Raubrey wrote:

They are trying to form a new "machine". Anyone who goes there know's what they're getting into. You go to Oregon now to be part of something huge, you may be the small fish in the big pond who runs 13:55 for 5K. Or you can go somewhere else and be the big fish and run 14:10. Guys are going to Oregon at this point to be part of something big, even if they are not the stars.

I guess I'm just different...I wouldn't want to spend upwards of $50,000 and not be on the nationals team to drop 15 seconds in a 5000. Maybe some guys are willing to make that trade-off. Or maybe a few too many people have bought into the Oregon hype/mystique.

I'd rather be buried and scramble to make the team chasing a national title, than get 14th at cross regionals and watch the other teams go to nationals when you and your team don't qualify.

That has happened to some pretty good runners.

Top 5 finishing teams in 2007 Novemeber nationals:

Oregon

Wisconsin

Iona

Colorado

Arkansas

He doesnt run the 800, he has only run it like two times and the last time was his sophmore year you dumbass. Plus everybody knows that the 800 isnt distance, he sticks to the real event, the 3200. Your the same type of idiot that bashes on Alan Webb for not running faster then 1.47.

wow? wrote:

Has he really only run 1:57? Not trying to bash...he must have some pretty awesome endurance. How many 1:57 guys are under 4:15 in the country? 5 or 6? let alone 4:10?

Are you seriously going to bring up how nike paid for galen rupp before he even signed with oregon. he paid all of that money back to them before he could even go to oregon. and as for how they are getting all this money for the athletes, they arent. lananna doesnt give full rides and very few of their top recruits went there on scholorships, they went because they knew that with vin as a coach this program will continue getting these top preps and the team will be filled with talent and it will be the best team for years to come. so next time you want to say all this, hide your jealousy before you speak.

Raubrey wrote:

"For those complaining now, get ready for years of unrest. The Mercados, Acostas and Halls at Oregon are like the Hausers, Jimmersons and Whites at the beginning of the Stanford dynasty. The snowball has just started rolling."

Just an FYI, in the time that Vin was actually at Stanford, with the absolutely immense amount of talent that he had, and the rersources, and the facilities, he did not get that much done. I believe 2 cross titles and an outdoor on the men's, and a little more success on the women's 3-4 tiles. I think the above poster that used the term meat grinder, is spot on. I also think that it is a crying shame that there is a lemming effect when it comes to talented kids. And that's all I have to say about that.

Tuition (out of state) at Oregon for the year (taking 18 credits each semester) is about $14,000.

Assuming Vin has the max allowable scholarships under NCAA rules he then has federal, state, and UO grants and loans available. These may be tied to the income of the student's family (or not) as well other academic (and non-academic achievements. In addition, students may have additional private scholarships they are qualified for. Or maybe their parents pay for everything.

All that has to happen is that the kids need to have their financial need met to attend.

Vin and Oregon just need to find ways to make the total package work for his athletes. Not everyone will have their whole way paid for. But probably everyone would have some of it. This doesn't become an issue for the NCAA unless the additional funds are deemed to be athletic scholarships. Vin also loves to use partial scholarships to help fill in the gaps. If he split everything up into quarter scholarhips then he could give out 50+.

ForestGump71 wrote:

Raubrey wrote:

"For those complaining now, get ready for years of unrest. The Mercados, Acostas and Halls at Oregon are like the Hausers, Jimmersons and Whites at the beginning of the Stanford dynasty. The snowball has just started rolling."

Just an FYI, in the time that Vin was actually at Stanford, with the absolutely immense amount of talent that he had, and the rersources, and the facilities, he did not get that much done. I believe 2 cross titles and an outdoor on the men's, and a little more success on the women's 3-4 tiles. I think the above poster that used the term meat grinder, is spot on. I also think that it is a crying shame that there is a lemming effect when it comes to talented kids. And that's all I have to say about that.

I think you forgot to mention the number of individual NCAA champions, olympic trials champions, olympic qualifiers, world championship qualifiers, a 1-2-3 sweep of the NCAA 10K, a numbing amount of NCAA scorers etc. He was doing it with top Americans, not top foreign atheletes.

They flat out dominated distances for that period.

cpagett wrote:

He doesnt run the 800, he has only run it like two times and the last time was his sophmore year you dumbass. Plus everybody knows that the 800 isnt distance, he sticks to the real event, the 3200. Your the same type of idiot that bashes on Alan Webb for not running faster then 1.47.

wow? wrote:

Has he really only run 1:57? Not trying to bash...he must have some pretty awesome endurance. How many 1:57 guys are under 4:15 in the country? 5 or 6? let alone 4:10?

Yet he ran/raced the 400 meters 1 month ago.....strange????