FL Champ Chad Hall runs open 400 in 51.72

mobile9 wrote:

You should be impressed to the extent that it shows how weak you are aerobically compared to a guy like Hall.

that's the point, dipshit.

Didn't webb split a 47 during a 4 by 400 in high school?

Same meet he ran a 4:07 and a 1:49 I believe.

You're leaving out that 4:06 was a 2:14/1:52 split.

Seems no one is mentioning that this isn't a 51.7 relay carry, but a 51.72 OPEN 400 in MARCH.

Definitely solid speed by Chad. Too bad this turned into a typical Letsrun thread where people compare the performance being discussed to their own lifetime PR and take the thread away from the runner and make it about themselves.

The fact that Chad can do these times at this point, bodes well for May/June.

4:06 mile/ 8:47 2 mile

I think thats great talent, I run 3.49 for 1500m and can't break 55 for a quarter.

frunt own wrote:

I think thats great talent, I run 3.49 for 1500m and can't break 55 for a quarter.

learn to spell

Learn to punctuate and capitalize.

I think Chad's 400 speed is fast enough for him to be competitive with everyone in the the 3k,5k,10k. Who cares if its not that fast for a mile. Its not like he'll be a middle distance runner in college.

frunt own wrote:

I think thats great talent, I run 3.49 for 1500m and can't break 55 for a quarter.

I don't believe that.

John1234 wrote:

I think Chad's 400 speed is fast enough for him to be competitive with everyone in the the 3k,5k,10k.

Maybe at a university level, but on the professional/international level, you can't win anything big if you can close a fast 5k in low 50s. Long term, he'll probably follow Ryan's career.

closing in low 50's is not entirely dependent on your 400m speed.

Geb isn't a barn burner in terms of his pure speed. Neither are a number of kenyans.

I think the only way to know if this is a good time for Chad Hall is to know how this compares to what Chad Hall has done in March in the past.

I'm not impressed with it by comparing it to my own PR's (I was not quite that fast but I was also not FL champ) or to other people (Webb, etc) who are much faster, making Hall look like a slowpoke. But if I knew that his PR before was 54.x and he is now running 51.7 in March, then I would be impressed.

This time is only meaningful if it can be compared to what he himself has done before, and put into the context of what training he is doing right now.

As for the idea that a 51.7 standing by itself is an indicator of great talent, I'm laughing. But other things Hall has done certainly indicate great talent. My point is don't nut yourself over a 51.7 in March, it is meaningless in the grand scheme.

Mtn Dew wrote:

I don't believe that.

i don't either.

and it's funny to me how many people apparently believe that 51.7 for a foot locker champ is impressive. he's obviously a superb runner with a great future. but 51.7 is not impressive. maybe when you take into account all of the circumstances - march, not doing speed training, not a particularly important or stacked race, ran the last 15 meters backwards, etc. - it becomes impressive. however, on its own, a 51.7 400 for a FL champ in his senior (?) year of high school doesn't tell us much about his potential ability in the 1500 - 10k.

I am a 14:47 5K guy and ran 50.9 in HS. To each his own.

I also know kids who are decent 8K guys and can't break 60, but I wouldn't want to race them down the last 400m of an XC race, that's for damn sure.

Tri This wrote:

That is some serious natural talent. I would bet that if the sprints were his focus he would easily run sub 50s.

51.72 isn't bad for a kid who reportedly likes to put in the big training mileage.

1 Boys 400 Meter Run Var

Griffin Carter Valencia 50.25 50.25

hall chad Big Bear 51.72 1.47

Estrada Gus Arroyo 51.99 0.27

Opoku-Agyemang Joe Clovis 52.08 0.09

May Stephan Great Oak 52.48 0.4

Ferrell Kenny Redlands East Valley 52.78 0.3

Galvan Luke Whittier 54.18 1.4

http://www.dyestatcal.com/results/trk2007/March/24%20APU%20DMOC/Summary.htm

Gonna have to say I'm not terribly impressed either. I ran 51:something in college. No big deal. Some people can run fast at 400 meters -- doesn't say much about his ability to run decent mileage. I knew guys in high school who ran 49 seconds, but they couldn't even beat me in an 800, let alone anything further.

A big part of the problem is that any kid with any level of speed is limited to running the sprints, whereas sub50 teenagers in Kenya/Ethiopia are trying to make the 5k/10k teams.

IF they broke 50 they shouldn't be distance runners then.

mobile9 wrote:

A big part of the problem is that any kid with any level of speed is limited to running the sprints, whereas sub50 teenagers in Kenya/Ethiopia are trying to make the 5k/10k teams.

east africans don't run the 800/1500/3k/steeple?