Seb Coe: blood doper?

Ovett Fan wrote:

I'd like hear some opinions on this from those in the know.

Why wouldn't he cheat in sport?

So far the only thing brought up in this thread that remotely qualifies as evidence against Coe is the fact that he was fast. This thread is a waste of time.

What did the american runners have "up their sleeves" in the 70s? How else do you explain all the studs they had and their current lack of it?

how ironic... vaino got busted for 'roids because he was blood doping. the 'roids hadn't cleared his system when they removed the blood, which was later re-injected into his body!

mobile9 wrote:

Additionally, Martti Vaino (10000m runner) got busted for steroids. Taking steroids doesnt necessarily mean pumping iron

buttered toast wrote:

I'm sure the Brits had something up their sleeve in the 80s. How else do you explain all the studs they had and their current lack there of.

You don't think it has to do with the affect that all industrialized nations have felt? There are many, many more things to do with your free time than 25 years ago (internet, TV, skateboarding) and thus potential Seb Coes/Steve Ovetts sit around and gain weight or do something besides athletics. And, if you are a good athlete interested in sport, would you put your time/energy into track, or into a far more lucrative sport (football, cricket...)? At the same time, Britain has been scaling back their PE requirement and introducing all this non-competition mentality crap, where competitive sport is looked down upon because there are losers. The fact that Britain has the runners it does is impressive.

The Finns destroyed everybody in the 20s and 30s -- what were they on? Or the Kiwis in the 60s? It's a combination of talent, motivation and good coaching. When it happens, it happens.

track chick wrote: aside from this little debate, what's a urinal cake?

See below.

urinal baker wrote:

track chick wrote: aside from this little debate, what's a urinal cake?

See below.

coe, ovett and cram could beat el g and lagat today as well as all the juiced up east german who DID blood dope and it was legal till 84. back in those days they don't have pacers etc. and they still race fast.

Are any of you aware that in early editions of "Training Distance Runners" Peter Coe sings the praises of EPO? Synthetic or not, he thought it was the bee's knees. Subsequent printings of the book omitted this part.

coe's friend wrote:

urinal baker wrote:

See below.

coe, ovett and cram could beat el g and lagat today as well as all the juiced up east german who DID blood dope and it was legal till 84. back in those days they don't have pacers etc. and they still race fast.

Yes, they did have pacers. Tom Byers and James Robinson paced many WR attempts.

A urinal cake is the round smelly thing at the bottom of a urinal (for further explination see the movie “Joe’s Apartment”.

But it’s also a nick name that was given to me in the d3 national predictions in 2002. So it’s an easy way to let everyone who knows me know who I am with out signing my name.

So yes sprinters use EPO and I guess technically there was for of EPO for use in 1977 which is before his records (that was created from urine). But I would still assume that EPO would make an athlete more suited for longer races. And let’s say EPO gave him 2 seconds in the half (not my number someone else wrote that), then I would have to assume that he would get at least 5 seconds on the mile. Which would make him a 1:43 high/ 3:53 low guy, arguably the same as Jim Ryun. And if that was really the case I would have to assume that Coes records wouldn’t have lasted as long as they did, for the simple reason that performance drugs have gotten better since then not worse.

Urinal Cake

Jeff Atkinson used to train with Matt Guisto. MG is listed on the BALCO Web site so draw your own conclusions.

buttered toast wrote:

I'm sure the Brits had something up their sleeve in the 80s. How else do you explain all the studs they had and their current lack there of.

And the USA obviously had something up their sleeves with all the great marathon times in the early 80s / late 70s, eh?

There are a lot of reasons, buttered toast. Shall we discuss them?

bexet wrote:

What did the american runners have "up their sleeves" in the 70s? How else do you explain all the studs they had and their current lack of it?

:)

:) What they said, buttered toast.

Finally some substantive information. Although it offers no proof, it does imply that Peter Coe may well have been aware of the benefits of EPO at the time Seb Coe was at his prime..very interesting

I have the original 1991 edition of Coe And Martin, and there is no mention of EPO as a drug, and only a minor reference to the role of erythropoeitin in manufacturing hemoglobin. Certainly no "singing of praises".

Did he exclude it from later additions? If he did it would be interesting to understand his motivations for leaving it out?

Optional Extras wrote:

Did he exclude it from later additions? If he did it would be interesting to understand his motivations for leaving it out?

I've no idea whether it was left out of subsequent editions but I see no reason why it would be.

Natural EPO is spoken of in the context of natural hemoglobin production.

out of order wrote:

if your not in the know, why suggest it? seb coe is a legend

Coe is a legend but he competed during the 80's when everyone was on drugs, do the maths people. Take a look at the world all-time lists and see how many of the top times were run during the 1980's. Coincidence? Yeah right.....