Seb Coe: blood doper?

I doubt anyone here "knows". You are just trying to besmirched a person's character.

Screw yourself.

if your not in the know, why suggest it? seb coe is a legend

out of order wrote:

if your not in the know, why suggest it? seb coe is a legend

yeah, so are geb and flo-jo. any questions?

out of order wrote:

if your not in the know, why suggest it? seb coe is a legend

reality is fun wrote:

yeah, so are geb and flo-jo. any questions?

Yes, what connection do they have with with Seb Coe?

they are (or were) "legends" too, and they are (or were) dopers. being a "legend" and being a doper aren't mutually exclusive, idiot.

dork wrote:

they are (or were) "legends" too, and they are (or were) dopers. being a "legend" and being a doper aren't mutually exclusive, idiot.

They're dopers because... why exactly? Positive drug tests? Eyewitnesses. A Balco lab somewhere? Hmmmmm nope. Why again. Oh yes, because you say so. And who are you? Well you're "dork" of course!

Well, if random anonymous message board poster "dork" is certain they he must be "in the know". I'm convinced allright!

Stick to dyestat, kiddo.

yeah, and all those people they're finding through balco problems tested positive too, right? and landis tested positive before they finally caught him right? oh no, so that means they were clean. just a week before landis got caught he decided to take drugs. same with hamilton. he just picked up his doping habit a week or two before he was caught. dang that bad luck.

it's good to see that the athletes have plenty of fans who are completely oblivious to real life.

JJK? Sure. Seb Coe? Ehh... Geb? 100% clean. Spend some time in the hills of Ethiopia and see.

Well blood doping wasn't outlawed until 1984 and was pretty commonplace at the time, so maybe.

OK this is crazy. First off when you say blood doping are you talking about everything or just the act of putting extra blood? If you are just talking about just extra blood then I would have to say that the answer is no, for the simply fact that it wouldn’t have helped him as much in the 800 which was his primary event. If you are talking about other drugs well he was the skinniest guy out there and I don’t think (correct me if I am wrong) that any of the real endurance drugs (like epo) were popular then.

Next look at what he did have. The man was perfect mix of strength, speed and perfect fluid motion. It’s been said that there has never been a more perfect/pretty form on any runner. And also I am not going to dig around for the figures but if you if you look at his 800 and 1000 time and compare it to everyone who has a faster mile then him you might even start to wonder if he is the last clean great miler. I am not going as far to say that everyone else was dirty but when you consider all the endurance drugs out there you would have to at least ponder the fact that as mile times got faster 800 and 1000 times didn’t.

Urinal Cake

I don't that Seb used drugs, but I think that your logic os flawed:

400m runners rake EPO to boost endurance (I've been hearing this for a while, but see Jerome Young for confirmation). Endurance plays a role in all track events.

Additionally, Martti Vaino (10000m runner) got busted for steroids. Taking steroids doesnt necessarily mean pumping iron

Dork is a dork. Leave it at that. End of thread.

mobile9 wrote:

JJK? Sure. Seb Coe? Ehh... Geb? 100% clean. Spend some time in the hills of Ethiopia and see.

Geb? Clean??? ROTFLMAO!

urinal cake wrote:

If you are just talking about just extra blood then I would have to say that the answer is no, for the simply fact that it wouldn’t have helped him as much in the 800 which was his primary event.

Blood doping/EPO should improve 800 performance by about 2 seconds, IIRC.

Without a doubt. Like I said, go to Ethiopia and check him out yourself. Ethiopians don't need anything special.

Doctor Truth wrote:

Blood doping/EPO should improve 800 performance by about 2 seconds, IIRC.

yes, but seb coe's career predates the development of synthetic EPO.

i know some idiot is gonna say "you don't think the black market had EPO before doctors?" and the answer is no. drug companies make MANY BILLIONS of dollars of their patentable drugs (like synthetic EPO) and their patents have a time limit on them. if you think that a drug company would forego selling EPO on the open market to sell on the black market for a few thousand bucks per athlete, you're an idiot.

the only performance-enhancing drugs available during coe's career were anabolic steroids (look at him- way too thin to have used them) and stimulants (only help the short sprints, if that). he didn't use drugs. he might have blood doped, but there's really no evidence to that end, so i choose to give him the benefit of the doubt. besides, if he blood doped, i think his mile would be stronger, given his 1:41 800m.

optional wrote:

Doctor Truth wrote:

Blood doping/EPO should improve 800 performance by about 2 seconds, IIRC.

yes, but seb coe's career predates the development of synthetic EPO.

But not blood doping, obviously:

I agree that Sebastian Coe had the best form I've ever seen, although Lagat and El G are close. I'm sure the Brits had something up their sleeve in the 80s. How else do you explain all the studs they had and their current lack there of. Either way, Coe was one helluva runner, had agruably the best form ever and body for running, and brought a lot of excitement to our sport. Besides, Seb and his Dad are probably about the only people who know whether he was clean or not.

Doctor Truth wrote:

But not blood doping, obviously:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_doping

right, right- i was just correcting the guys suggesting that coe used EPO. as for blood doping, i think (as i said above) that his mile would've been stronger if he'd blood doped, given his 800m/1000m ability. that, and there's never been any evidence that he blood doped.