Brahim Boulami: Busted B sample also EPO positive

Actually you're incorrect. The French rider who went into cardiac arrest and died, expired because he was not monitoring his plasma levels. He had such a high platelet count, that his heart couldn't pump his blood which had the viscosity of oatmeal. Under a physicians treatment, this would NEVER,EVER have happened. A horrible self distruction, but one that could have easily been prevented. By the way folks EPO is sooo old school. The next gen will be undetectable. We can during the embroyonic stage of develpoment build circulatory systems of incredible efficiency. The world records from 800m to the marathon will be held by a single red headed boy from the USA by 2010. This is guaranteed. I can't wait to watch our stock price and the agape mouths when the records fall. Just wait

"As athletes, our performances should be earned, not bought. In athletics, the quest is to improve upon one's own talent, through hard-work, dedication, and training. That's something cannot be bought."

Trackhead, you can buy an oxygen tent, you can just sleep in it and you will very likely have a raised red blood cell count because of this. And this raised red cell count will very likely enable you to have an improved performance when it comes to running long distances.

The dividing lines speparating cheating and disciplined and professional preparation are not at all clear.

As a Penn graduate it disgusts me that someone at my alma mater would have the balls to come up with garbage like this.

Track & field is not a test of what scientific garbage you can come up with. Athletes are not guinea pigs, and the ones who choose to be have the moral code of Osama Bin Laden, and the doctors who preach this trash should have their licenses revoked based on Hippocratic oath alone.

"I will follow that system of regimen which, according to my ability and judgment, I consider for the benefit of my patients, and abstain from whatever is deleterious and mischievous."

I believe the point is to see who is the fastest or who can throw the furthest or jump the furthest. Training will make you improve through hard work. Shooting up with drugs is buying improvement. It is the lowest of the low.

Don't you get it through your thick skull ?

And I personally think altitude tents are shady too. Gee whiz Paula, just train in the Alps.

This is exactly what I love about runners/cyclists and the IAAF. The need to use the machinery of the governing body to impose ideology. Listen, you don't know what's best for me and I don't know what's best for you. Can you just let people do whatever they want ot themselves? If you don't like the direction the sport will be taking, then take up chess. "Hard work" "devleopinbg oneself:" I love to see that the ideology of the protestant work ethic is alive and well in the USA.

Again, you have such narrow views of what humans are. "As soon as you take drugs you're not a man, you're a machine." If you take anti-bacterial such as penicilin, do you lose your HOMO SAPIEN SAPIEN status as well? "That's different," you'll say. Is it really? Perhaps it's hard looking at the big picture when you're looking at the world through the narrow keyhole of a stagnant, archaic ideology.

As for the hypocratic oath, read it carefully. Does it say anything specific condeming our actions? In fact, I'm very much in keeping with the hypocratic oath. Most distance runners can expect only 57 years of life expectancy. By helping them reduce the stresses on their bodies, which may be a cause for all of this long term, accumulated trauma, I could argue that I'm actually helping them(which I most certinaly will). Have you ever noticed that most athletes never live as long as Bob Dylan, Mick Jagger or Keith Richards? If you don't OD, maybe the drug life is the way to go. Forget all that sweaty, hard working jock ethos of yours. Score some points, break the records, amuse the mob in the stands, bask in the glow of others amazement and cash that check and have it earn 8% in the market. I'm glad the line between human and machine to so easily(and I may add arbitrarily) drawn for you. I always thought that is was emotions and sentience that made humans human. Your definition of the machine/human delineation is when hermocrit count per cc is over 50. Hmm, interesting

PS Did you know that the IOC didn't test the NHL players in Salt Lake. I guess even those rightous prohibitionists will make a few exceptions for more bucks and a larger TV audience(more bucks). Like alcohol prohibition in the US eighty years ago, this anti-drug crusade is a waste of precious money, and it will fall from style like polyester pants.

You can live in an altitude tent all your life for what I care -- you'll get some more effiency with oxygen, undoubtably, bery much what is going on in with the Oregon Project.

But still, no matter the altitude, simulated or natural, you still have to train to race. This whole subject is indicitave of American impatience. We can't stand that there is no easy way around hard work, so we develop drugs as shortcuts because we, as a nation, cannot fathom the idea of there being no way out of such grueling training and relentless dedication.

It is not unlike the legendary and partially fictious Bruce Denton, who was asked time without number, "What's your secret?"

And then for those that tried to learn it, learned only that hard and godawful lesson, that "There is no Secret!"

Stefan- I thin you meant that the French cyclists hemoglobin was too high (not their platelets). No person in their right mind would intentionally cause thrombocytosis. This would obviously only invite a hypercoaguable state. Essentially, one of the major problems with increasing one's hgb and hct is the fact that, when dehydrated, the viscocity of the blood does in fact turn into "oatmeal". Please be reminded that there is a very high class marathoner out there who signs contracts to run races with a clause that allows him to bow out if the temp is above a certain point.

I guess some people don't grasp the concept of LIKING and being satisfied with the results of hard work and natural talent(or not).

There is also the problem of making every part of the body capable of withstanding the souping up effect. You would have to strengthen everything artificially or your wheels will fall off. Who is going to pay for all this bodywork anyway? It wouldn't come cheap. Certainly your performance would never pay for it. Didn't think of that did you? "You stupid quick fix bastard".

whattt who are you? 88???

quote:"i still can tolerate clown's jokes,...but this is...."

gebreselassie vo2max 92

komen 90-91

paul tergat vo2max 89

mariusbakken vo2max 84-86

with 74-76 its already enough for me to go to busan.

So would you call yourself pro-human or anti-human?

Actually I have thought about the stresses on human body parts, that's why during mytosis we resequence alleles to allow for a "scaling up" of organs, muscle tissues, and skeletal structures to handle the incresed stresses being put upon this "system infrastucture." A 400% increase in capillary volume is just such an adjustment to increased levels of plasma and modified hemoglobin levels. In response to the poster who talked about the deceased French Rider. While using EPO he was also tranfusing T-cells and his platelet count was off the scale for human life function. His hemoglobin and his platelet count were the problems. Guess who did some of the biopsy work on him?

Paul tergat and Haile G don't even begin to compare with Lance Armstrong, Beloki or Heras. They can go for longer harder. They're wattage output(endurance sports are about watts per hr) is higher over a much longer duration. a multi-stage tour is like running 9 marathons, 3 10kms and 7 5kms over a 22 day period. Haile G and Tergat can't take it. If they could they'd be in pro-cycling where the $ is much greater. A good bike costs $1000 if they could make the move they would, but among Africans the hope for cycling glory lies in Morocco.

In respose to "we shouldn't mess with nature" We are nature, humans do not exist outside of the natural world. People can do whatever they're capable of. If you don't feel comfortable with the future, then you're like the millions of others in the world who fear change. Humans have been genetically altering animals and plants for the better part of 3 millenia.

You will make a wonder drug and make zillions of money and have many babies with supermodels. Wow, I envy you.

If you want to see high numbers got to Bhutan and the Indian state of Sikkim. The sikkimese who work in the relatively low valleys tending their tea leaves in the shadow of the world's third highest mountain have the highest VO2s on Earth. While doing research in Lhasa, Tibet, PRC four memebers of my research team had their VO2s over 90 while exercising vigorously in the Himalayan Plateau. Our procedure is avaliable for those who are interested. We can build up an embryo from scratch for $50000, so you're wrong, we could more than make a profit from an undefeated track road season, and when you add in world record bonuses, simply awesome. At John's Hopkins University they've a similar level of bio enhancement capability that we do, but they're not a private company like we are.

Actually I think sports are quite outdated and archaic. Physical fitness is something that Americans need to start obsessing about, not professional sports(how can the International Amateur Athletic Federation preside over for pay running events? What's amateur about that?). I simply would like to use pro sports as a free advertising tool for my company and our long list of perfromance enhancement services. If NIKE, COCA-COLA, ADDIDAS, BELGACOM, EXXONMOBIL can smear their logo across a stadium, I don't see what the problem is. Or is it wrong to have a biological advertisement. Think of the low cost publicity. I can't wait for the inarticulate hate mail and the Sports Illustrated articles, the BBC news programs, the angry journalists, the public inquiry. Free advertising, yes

How pitiful and sad it is that people who subscribe to this shit need to BUY their results. Always looking for the quick fix, and it's gonna come back and bite you in the ass.

Stefan- why would anyone transfuse T-cells? For that matter-plasma? Why not just use lactated ringers or normal saline if he was just trying to increase blood volume? Was he afraid that he might dilute his artificially elevated hct?

Stefan, Wow... I am duly impressed. This is one of the best alltime BS performances on the Letsrun boards. Are you Joe Black? Knower? Or maybe you're the person who said they were Paula Radcliffe?

Anyway, I commend you for your efforts, but even if "Stefan" was legitimate, it would not work for such a character. People have an innate sense of Right vs. Wrong, and in such a scenario, you would be crossing that line. It would be interesting to see how far a present day Dr. Jekyll could go, but in the end, such an endeaver would not work out.

To quote a James Bond flick, "The difference between crazy and genious lies in the success of their results". You (or a "real" Stefan-type) would fall in the crazy category.

JEH,

Wonderfully put.

This stefan character has been banned from the boards. He does not have a research company. He has posted under various names. It is sad he went to such great lengths to deceive everyone.

Stefan knows what he's talking about.

Paula

Wheh.... that was a close one (smile). So, how long is the ban? 3 days, or are we looking at a heavy reprisal, like a week?

And what about disclosure of other names? We got that last time. Public humiliation is great!