Nike Oregon Project Update?

Salazar has said on many occasions that the problem with Americans is that they wait too long to run a Marathon and that you can run a marathon and improve on the track at the same time. I am not saying that I agree or disagree, I am just trying to point out that Salazar is either dishonest or incompetent. I also agree that the same applies to Gags as he said his only reason for moving to the west coast was to produce a 3:31 1500 within a year. He didn't say that he was going to do the best he can or improve the program. 1 goal---3:31 1500 (miserable failure). Gags and Salazar are both part of the coaching philosophies that have produced mediocrity over the past 20 years. We need new ideas and new blood. Do not prop these fossils out in front of us and expect us to get excited. If Hansons or Wisonsin Racing team beat the Farm Team this year, NIKE SHOULD END THE PROGRAM THE NEXT DAY.

I like skeptic wrote:

Gags and Salazar are both part of the coaching philosophies that have produced mediocrity over the past 20 years.

What coaching philosophies are those exactly? Do know what their coaching philosophies are? Do you know what types of workouts they schedule?

We need new ideas and new blood.

What new ideas do we need? Please elaborate.

Training Philosophies? Great question.

I feel like the U.S. has been hit or miss with lack of structure. For example why in the hell would Browne run the U.S. 20k and 5k championships within a month of his first marathon. What is he preparing for? Now if you can justify this then there is no excuse for the rest of the group to not be running a fall marathon. Lets just give Salazar the benefit of the doubt and say the rest of the group is bettering their 5k-10k times then where was Davis, Johnson, and Donnely for the 5k championships? Lack of consistency in Salazars statements leads me to believe that there is no system. Any system would be better than the american hit or miss training of the day.

I like skeptic wrote:

For example why in the hell would Browne run the U.S. 20k and 5k championships within a month of his first marathon. What is he preparing for?

But what you have identified here is a single admittedly questionable racing decision, not a training philosophy.

Lack of consistency in Salazars statements leads me to believe that there is no system.

I'm not sure exactly what inconsistency you mean, but I think the only way to truly know their training philosophy (or lack thereof), is to see how they train. Gagliano may not have produced his 3:31 1500 guy, but the man has a track record of some fast runners. And Salazar lived his philosophy for years -- it worked for him.

Any system would be better than the american hit or miss training of the day

I understand your frustration, but the, "anybody would be better than this guy" philosophy is what always gets us in trouble, both in track and field and in politics.

u guys are fukking losers. you have no idea who is doing what or what alberto has in store for his athletes. they have the oppurtunity to stay healthy and train, so they dont have to race every weekend. alberto is keeping quiet for a reason, he obviously wants to let future performances speek for themselves. so get a life you tools and try and be in the same league as those guys.

you guys suck

anyone that likes me is certainly short in the role model category, but that is irrelevant, we do agree on lack of structure in the NOP system and pretty much every US system.

Mandatories for success. (10k and marathon)

1. group training (not just quality days)

2. segmentation

3. hands on day to day coaching

4. mileage should be at least 110 for 10k and 140 for

marathoners and NEVER fall below 85 and 100.

(this can not be accomplished if you are over racing).

5. Never race more than twice a month.

6. no more than 5 quality days over a 2 week period.

7. Never race if it doesn't lead toward your ultimate goal in that segment.

8. an athlete should always be aware of what their workouts are weeks in advance. (this enables athletes to better understand what the purpose of each segment is)

9. stay off the track during cross-country season (the purpose of the track is to promote speed and you should be working on strength during this time of year)

I could rant all night about the mistakes that are taking place in the U.S. system but most of you have probably tuned me out a long time ago. Best of luck in your training.

I like skeptic wrote:

We need new ideas and new blood. Do not prop these fossils out in front of us and expect us to get excited.

I agree with you that we need new ideas, as getting faster is due to a progression of thought. However, my truth has been that very few people are interested in new ideas, and almost none pay attention to the revolutionary ones, they like old, comfortable, risk free forms of thought. Anyways, it's pretty easy pointing out problems, i'll assure you that at least one person on this board would give a fair chance to your solutions, so lets hear them.

but what are some of the other guys in this group doing right now? Specifically guys like Chad Johnson and Dave Davis?

Maybe they are training hard and not worrying about racing on the roads every weekend for a paycheck. Maybe they are doing everything right and taking a long proper build up. Well i guess this is a positive slant and will be torn apart be all you with negtive views. Instead of ripping in to the program and nike..why not say this is f***in great we are trying something new, and if it works great we are one step furthur to success if not..oh well we are at the same spot as before.

Chad Johnson representing the group runnin' 15:16. You go boy!

What a joke. Hanneck runs 14:34 as well. browne is good because he is tough and has heart. The rest of this "group" would get f***ing rocked by Hanson's, Team USA Minnesota, Farm Team or any other halfway decent college team.