Doris Brown heritage
Doris Brown heritage
history student wrote:
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Who held the High School Mile record before Jim Ryun went sub-4 in 1965? Answer Tom Sullivan at 4:03 in the early 1960s.
He went to Villanova and set some world records in the NCAA (4 x880, I believe).
Last I heard he was living in Hinsdale IL and training to break the mile AR for men over the age of 60 (Held by Vic Heckler of Chicago set in 2001 and the fifth avenue mile when he ran a 4:57 at age 61).[/quote]
A friend of mine went to high school ( St. George's) with Sullivan, and saw him 5 years ago at a 40th HS reunion. He is a Neurosurgeon, and according to my friend is " quite fit."
Blowing Rock Master wrote:
malmo wrote:Ashenfelter won the 1952 Olympics in WR time (8:45.4).
Halfway my bad. USATF Website shows him winning in both '52 and '56. I should have caught that.
'56 winner was Chris Brasher, also famous for his assistance, along with another Chris, Chris Chataway, when Bannister ran his 3:59.4, first sub 4 mile.
history student wrote:
Good stuff. I have heard of several of these men but have absolutely NEVER heard of others. I also like the fact that you guys have listed some books that I have also never heard of.
Any women that are less known? A myth is that Joan Benoit was sort of the catalyst for starting womens running but I know that cant be the beginning of women running competitively. Who were some of the women that broke the gender barrier, etc..
Jan Merrill
Because the United States is obsessed with using the term High School instead of referring to the exact age or using the term Junior, Canadian Junior sensation Bruce Kidd is overlooked. At age 18, Bruce won the United States Open Cross Country Championship and defeated 1960 Olympic 5,000 meter champion Murray Halberg by running 13:43.8 in 1962. This was was faster than Jerry Lindgren ran two years later at the same age. Bruce's time was a United States open, Canadian and World Junior record.
Francie Larrieu Smith was called "the Most Versatile Runner of the Quarter Cantury" by Runner's World. She was a member of 5 Olympic Teams and ran the 1,500, 10,000 (5th) and the marathon in the Olympics. She was the US Team Flag Bearer in 1962. She established 36 United States Records and 12 world bests in distances from 1,000 meters and 10,000 meters.
Francie Larrieu-Smith
Five-time U.S. Olympic Team member. Pretty darn impressive.
Orville Atkins wrote:
She was the US Team Flag Bearer in 1962.
I think you mean 1992. :)
Yes. Thank you. Her first Olympics was in Munich in 1972 and the last was Barcelona in 1992.
Orville Atkins wrote:
Because the United States is obsessed with using the term High School instead of referring to the exact age or using the term Junior, Canadian Junior sensation Bruce Kidd is overlooked. At age 18, Bruce won the United States Open Cross Country Championship and defeated 1960 Olympic 5,000 meter champion Murray Halberg by running 13:43.8 in 1962. This was was faster than Jerry Lindgren ran two years later at the same age. Bruce's time was a United States open, Canadian and World Junior record.
Orville - I always enjoy your posts - they're always clear and informative. In the US we're always obsessed with everything, but in this case (High School) it's all we've got. What ever happened to Bruce Kidd after 1962? Obviously, that 5K time was stellar, and beating an Oly Champ was a great precursor to Jim Ryun's (a high schooler, sorry) upset of another Kiwi - Snell in 1965.
Veikko Karvonen. I'll buy a beer for anyone who even knows what event he ran.
Later in 1962, Bruce, now 19, Bruce won the Empire Games 10,000 and was third in the 5K to Halberg and Clarke. Bruce ranked 2nd in the world for 5K in 1962. He went on to run the Olympic 10 K in Tokyo but he had been suffering from foot problems, ran poorly and soon after retired. In 1974 Bruce returned to competative running with marathons of 2:12:37 and 2:20:37 to rank 11th on the Canadian all-time list.
Bruce had a much more illustrious career after he left track and field. He received a Ph.D and is the dean of the Faculty of Physical Education at the Unversity of Toronto. Bruce received the Order Of Canada last year.
jsquire wrote:
Veikko Karvonen. I'll buy a beer for anyone who even knows what event he ran.
Marathoner.
Won Boston in the 50s, I think.
I forgot to mention that Bruce also won the United States AAU Cross Country Championship, which he had won in 1961, in 1963 also.
The United States could join the rest of the world and call a Junior a Junior.
Bruce's team mate Bill Crothers also beat Peter Snell in 1965. Bill's world ranking in 1963-65 was first, second, first. So Coach Fred Foot's stars both had a win over Lydiard's.
Veikko Karvonen of Finland, won the Boston Marathon in 1954 in 2:20:39.
4419 P St wrote:
Marathoner.
Won Boston in the 50s, I think.
Where shall I buy the round?
Juha Vatainen ran the last lap of the 1971 European Championships 10,000 meters in 53.8 seconds to finish in 27:51, narrowly holding off Jurgen Haase. That was arguably the greatest 10,000 performance up to that time, as five guys went under 28 minutes.
Vaatainen also won the 5,000 meters, beating Laase Viren and pleasing the local Helsinki crowd. The following year, Vaatainen was injured and basically retired from the sport. He's rarely mentioned these days, but he was the best distance runner in the world in 1971.
Pickles Pub, across the street from Camden Yards.
In 1962, Bruce Kidd ran a 4:04 mile indoors in NY - he still holds the facility record (and I'm assuming he was still 18 at the time)......where did he do it?