EPO can benefit the nervous system, although the dose might have to be high.
Perhaps the possibility of toxicity from other drugs and their masking agents is reduced by EPO.
EPO can benefit the nervous system, although the dose might have to be high.
Perhaps the possibility of toxicity from other drugs and their masking agents is reduced by EPO.
Amgen's newer drug (after Epogen) is called Aranesp. I believe it does the same thing that EPO does except with fewer doses and it's more effective (potent?) Look for Aranesp to be the next drug of choice for dopers.
Tracer,
You have absolutley no idea what you are talking about. EPO does not thicken the blood.
Eric B. wrote:
Tracer,
You have absolutley no idea what you are talking about. EPO does not thicken the blood.
Actually if too much EPO is taken and enough red blood cells are produced, the blood will thicken up. Seriously. Did a research paper on this and spoke with an oncologist who verified it.
I just want to know how someone knows how many Asprin Geb takes a day? I assume you are talking about Haile Gebreselassie and I just want to know where you read that.
zipper wrote:
which would be very ironic because EPO is used to help treat cancer. It stimulates the production of red blood cells killed during chemo or radiation (don't know which).
That's not irony.
Irony is when a sprinter who's no doubt on tons of power drugs and stimulants never tests positive for any of those, but instead gets busted for an endurance drug.
EPO in not an "endurance" drug any more than vitamins are event specific. Erythopoitin is a red blood cell stimulating drug. Red blood cells are needed by all athletes to compete: sprinters, distance runners, jumpers and throwers. Red blood cells are needed by the average joe on the street to function normally. The fact that EPO helps distance runners doesn't make it an "endurance" drug. Testosterone, vitamins, protein, carbohydrates all contribute to the success of distance runners.
It's not irony. Go back to school and pay attention is class this time.
Alright, then (rolls eyes) ... they were busted for a drug traditionally associated with endurance events.
Yes, it's irony. The fact that they avoided testing positive for the drugs traditionally thought of as benefitting sprinters yet still got busted, albeit for a drug most people would consider having only secondary effects in sprinting, is a result which is not the expected one. That is irony.
Unless you think "irony" is some kind of adjective form of metallic properties, similar to "goldy" and "bronzey", how would you define it?
Oops. Before the grammar police nitpick me to death, the comma after "bronzey" should have been inside the quotation marks. And is "adjective" correct or should have been "adverb"? And I shouldn't have started the previous sentence (and this one) with a conjunction.
Any other problems? Flame away.
Billy Beer wrote:
And is "adjective" correct or should have been "adverb"?
... should it have been ...
Now pay more attention in school, Billy!
i'm confused why it's "traditionally associated" with endurance events. kelli white, jerome young, michelle collins, and so on. now marion jones. we've known for a a few years now that all the BALCO sprinters were using EPO. the people in our sport who seem to get busted for EPO tend to be sprinters not distance runners.
Those busts only came after tests were developed to detect the drug. Prior to that, if you'll recall (and even if you won't recall, come to think of it), this drug was widely bandied about as the drug of choice for first cyclists, then distance runners, owing to it's ability to improve oxygen transport. It's effects are similar to the old-fashioned blood doping, only more dramatic. Remember the stories about cyclists dying from thrombosis or having to wake up at night to peddle in order to ensure their circulatory systems didn't get bogged down?
A naturally-occurring eyrthropoietin boost is also assumed to be the main catalyst for improving endurance performance as a result of exposure to high altitude or other hypoxia.
Among runners, this was the drug implicated in the performances of the Chinese women in 1993. At that time, human growth hormone was the prinicipal undetectable suspect in use among sprinters. Erythropoietin lay almost entirely within the realm of endurance events.
i wouldn't be so sure about that. i know that cyclists were the ones who apparently popularized it, but i don't think we can say that sprinters didn't start using it as well once it moved to other sports. in fact, judging by the evidence that has been revealed and the rumors, i'd say sprinters have been using it just as much - and probably just about as long - as distance runners. everyone knew by the mid-90s that it was an excellent tool for quicker recovery from hard efforts - something sprinters certainly need for not only training but the running of multiple rounds in multiple events.
Amgen makes another drug to increase the white blood cells (neulasta). It costs $6000 per injection.
That's not irony idiot! wrote:
zipper wrote:which would be very ironic because EPO is used to help treat cancer. It stimulates the production of red blood cells killed during chemo or radiation (don't know which).
That's not irony.
It's ironic because I was replying to someone who said he hopes that the EPO-abusers get cancer. EPO is a drug that helps treat cancer. The irony of the situation would be someone getting cancer from a drug used to treat cancer.
You're welcome.
Jaycee Are wrote:
I just want to know how someone knows how many Asprin Geb takes a day? I assume you are talking about Haile Gebreselassie and I just want to know where you read that.
This is LetsRun. Where do you THINK he got that information from?? Well, I'll tell you: from his own twisted imagination. In other words: he made it up without a shred of information on the subject.
Isn't that what 99% of LetsRunners do routinely on here? Make things up and present them as fact?
Are you nuts? Where in the world have you heard such a thing? They are like oil and water (literally). Epo is a protein, and is quite water soluble whereas steroids are not. EPO is metabolized and broken down rapidly and it and its metabolites are water soluble and excreted from the body fairly rapidly. Steroids are quite different. Water insoluble, hard to get out of the body and not rapidly metabolized, hence their long half life and long duration of detection.
All these drugs can speed up recovery and probably also have some immediate effect on all events. Sprinters may have been using EPO for some time, but an anabolic steroid or a stimulant will have a more direct impact on a power event or an explosive event, so it seems a little ironic (there's that word again) that sprinters have recently been popped for EPO while distance runners have been caught for nandrolone and cyclists for testosterone. Maybe use of some masking agents or the overall combination of "primary" drugs they're on makes their "secondary" drugs more detectable within their particular blood chemistry.