komen's legs were so efficient he could turn a white, cheesecake eating 4:30 american miler into a 4 flat miler overnight. His chest capacity was also sick, did you ever take a look at that man's chest? He probably had a 3 gallon lung capacity. Now add those two factors together with the suffering of living in Africa and training your ass off at the very limits of human potential. Run a few 3's and 5's and there you have it.
f***ing pessimists
it's not pessimism, just realism. how many of those cyclists who were found out though extensive medical records documenting their histories of doping ever tested positive? the only way i would believe any of these top endurance athletes is if they took a very reliable polygraph test in public swearing up and down that they have never used PEDs. and i don't really know if there's a reliable polygraph, but you get what i'm saying. they have already proven to be proficient at lying through their teeth right up to the time a small handful of them are caught. and many of you folks have proven that your heads will remain firmly stuck in the clouds just because the drug tests suck.
i think you are being small-minded when you let one sport cloud another one. i could just say that world ultra-marathoning is clean so therefore all the track distance runners are clean since they are more similar sports than cycling. but logic seems to be wasted on you so i'll let you digest through your mickey mouse sense of commensense.
it's just an example of how testing does not work. doesn't matter if it's in one sport or another. the drugs help runners and cyclists alike.
ultra-marathoning is (probably) clean because people can not make hundreds of thousands, or even millions, of dollars by competing in that activity. so your analogy doesn't make sense.
it's cute that you think everyone is clean--really.
As a junior in 1994 Komen turned up in toronto and did a hilly 8km in just over 22 min and the next week ran the sunrun in well under 28 I believe. How can account for the incredible depth of dirt poor Kenyans at the junior level?
Why would they bother drugging tons of young kenyans? Where is the money come from? why hasn't even ONE stepped forward for a book deal or some other kind of reward?
Based on the times and depth; it makes sense that one guy would go 7:20. Take a year and look at the world junior track team for kenya , compare to the world cross team from that year etc. Its almost all different guys! the depth is unreal. Some may be overage but even still, the depth is there and drugging doesn't explain it. There isn't the financial reward to cover it.
Who is this "they"?
Just because the potential for $$$ would lead you to use drugs doesn't mean that these top athletes are without morals.
Of course, there will always be those who try to cheat -- but I've met a lot of track athletes from all over the world, Olympic and World champs, WR holders, and there are few that I would suspect.
Most people buy into the idea that everybody's that's worth a shit is on drugs because somebody convinces them, that there's no way somebody would be that good (really, it's an inferiority complex and believing that these Africans are so far ahead of white Americans).
They throw everybody in the same boat with Marion and MLB. Get to know some of the top athletes and then make your judgement.
Kenenisa Bekele and Bernard Lagat are both top 5000m guys. I'm not too too suprised that Bernard won the race, he is very fast, and underestimated I think for 5000m. Kenenisa would have won if he made a big move with two laps to go instead of 400m or 500m to go I think. I'm shocked kinda that Bernard beat Kenenisa but it wasn't unexpected totally for me because I knew those 2 and Craig Mottram would challenge for the win.
This race increases Bernards confidence to be able to beat anybody in a 5000m. Kenenisa maybe should make a bigger move earlier in the race. Bernard Lagat closed in 52, apparently Kenenisa can't run a 52, only a 53, which is alright, he should just make a move earlier in the race I think.
This race ruled! I am excited about this! :D
turn right wrote:
it's just an example of how testing does not work. doesn't matter if it's in one sport or another. the drugs help runners and cyclists alike.
ultra-marathoning is (probably) clean because people can not make hundreds of thousands, or even millions, of dollars by competing in that activity. so your analogy doesn't make sense.
it's cute that you think everyone is clean--really.
once again you make statements that you want to sound like facts but HAVE NO BASIS OR EVIDENCE TO PROVE IT. I give oyu some valid arguments but yet you havr to twist it around to make your specious point. here's a fact for you - far fewer Kenyans and Ethiopians have tested positive for drugs than the Europeans or Americans or Asians. Fact is, they don't need them. if you want to live in la-la land, fine with me.
...and your site is still suspended, so why link it?
great timing. oh, but surely this is a mistake, right? they're all clean!
the evidence is that the tests rarely work, and people are being found out through medical records. when the tests do work, the big guys and gals fall.