Seem's to me that he's been splitting 46 points all year long. Maybe he moved over to the sprints coach? Based on his (old?) coaches instagram, Coach Smith had guys run 1:46 and 1:47 this weekend, and another guy run 1:47 indoors and I think. Seems like Cade would have guys to train with?
I think someone is trying to needle Cade by instigating the recent threads. Let him go do what he wants. Flatt was recruited by a coach who knew he was leaving and wouldn’t be there to coach Flatt, and from there thing unraveled.
I think someone is trying to needle Cade by instigating the recent threads. Let him go do what he wants. Flatt was recruited by a coach who knew he was leaving and wouldn’t be there to coach Flatt, and from there thing unraveled.
You see, everybody believes they know the definitive reason why things went south. The coach leaving is only part of the story. Cade is a human being capable of making rational decisions. He could have left and transferred at any time by now if he wanted to. As I’ve said before so many people have made assumptions without knowing everything that has happened because Cade himself hasn’t said much and in this sport there isn’t an even flow of information.
As a pro? He has run 1:49.20 in college. That's a solid time, but it isn't getting a contract. He will hopefully find his old form and pr this spring, but he is a senior. He'd need a huge pr to get a contract. A good goal for him would be scoring at conference. Putting up points in a relay and the 800 would be a highlight of his college career.
Yes, he ran 1:46.48 as a high schooler, but he hasn't run at that level in years. Once athletes fall off in the middle distances, that's kind of it, its super rare that an athlete finds his old form and suddenly is running times faster than a pr from 4 years ago.
Look he had a pretty good run - he got to compete for a top middle distance team and got college paid for. To get the tiniest shoe deal, he probably needs to run like 1:45.mid . To even think of running as a pro, he needs to run sub 1:45. 145.60 is the USATF outdoor nats qualifying standard and that is prob the minimum you need in the 800 to get a few grand from a shoe sponsor.
These assessments are based on current US athletes with a) a contract and b) on a subelite development team. The 144 high guy is a better miler than an 800 runner - so really it would be 144low to mid or 144high in a big tactical race which he wins.
Josh Hoey is one of those rare exceptions. Flatt was faster in HS (albeit a 19 y.o. HSer) than Hoey...but Hoey also had very strong aerobics unlike Flatt. Also, Hoey had unlimited financial support, superior coaching and perhaps pharmaceutical "help".
Flatt was slower at 800 in college than in HS and was never a fast 400 guy period, ans lacks aerobic fitness so I'm pretty sure his apex moment has passed.
Idk where you’re getting that he wasn’t a good 400 runner, he ran 22.01 and 46.89, as well as a 4:12 mile his senior year. He had some of the best non-800 credentials of any high school 800m runner ever, there aren’t too many high schoolers cracking 47 when it isn’t their main event
Nobody knows for sure because the reality is that predictions are mostly futile. Nobody guessed that Athing Mu was going to flame out so soon or that Cole Hocker was going to win gold. Those are just two examples out of many. It’s not unheard of for runners to suck in college and then succeed as a pro when they find a system that works better for them. Georgia Bell is a prime example; a collegiate also-ran and now a multiple global medalist at 32 years old. Matt Tegencamp is an often overlooked example. Not a very consistent or healthy collegiate career but ends up 4th at a WCs. So it’s technically not impossible for Cade to improve, but it is really going to depend on his motivation and priorities. Everyone has speculated the last few years on here about why he has stagnated so much, but any minimal amount of research shows these are mostly rumors and assumptions. There isn’t much evidence out there for why he’s struggled so much. All we can do is just wait and see. In terms of likability, he will probably be the same arrogant self since personality traits don’t normally change much in one’s lifetime. But that’s okay because it’s fun when track has villains anyway; makes the sport more interesting.
Good post, but...Tegenkamp was a 7x all-american in college, and Cade Flatt is (with all due respect) a bang average 400/800 guy in the SEC who has never come close to making nationals individually.
I think that's the fastest he's run in college. Maybe he'll pr this spring. He's got a month and maybe 2-3 meets to do it.
Sort of burying the lede that he got 23rd place.
You are talking about a 22.9 YEAR-OLD COLLEGE JUNIOR getting 5th in a heat, which was the slowest of 3 heats of the invitation section of the 800. 8 more heats of the 800 today. Do you check the JV discus results at your local high school meet as well?
Chill out dude. Bryan Clay is one of the best regular season meets in the country. Obviously being 2 seconds off his lifetime PR 4 years later is not ideal, but it’s not ridiculous to say he could reach his high school best by the spring. I don’t think anyone expects him to be a legit contender, but be try and be happy for the kid that maybe his best days aren’t totally behind him:
Chill out dude. Bryan Clay is one of the best regular season meets in the country. Obviously being 2 seconds off his lifetime PR 4 years later is not ideal, but it’s not ridiculous to say he could reach his high school best by the spring. I don’t think anyone expects him to be a legit contender, but be try and be happy for the kid that maybe his best days aren’t totally behind him:
That does not seem to be the LRC way.....so many here just waiting on anyone to fail or disappoint so they can jump all over them.
That career as a musician didn't pan out? Practicing more than a few minutes a week might have helped, but that requires knowing how to reading music ... air guitar is not a learning method.