International Olympic Committee announces new Policy on the Protection of the Female (Women’s) Category in Olympic Sport

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

samcallan wrote:

Also, just because no one has won gold (although the Algerian boxer might be such a case) does not mean there is not an issue. In 2021 there was a transwoman in the weightlifting competition at the Games. She (and I will use the preferred pronouns because I am a decent person) did take the spot of a person who would meet the criteria and denied that person the chance to be called an Olympian and compete.

The Algerian boxer was assigned female at birth, raised as a girl, and self-identifies as a woman. So she is the very definition of a cisgender woman.

samcallan wrote:

Now an issue is what do lower level (grassroots) sports do.

Now let's take that down to even college.

Now at the high school level. We are talking a million girls (or thereabouts).

eagleeye wrote:

I’m sure this will go over completely fine. Can somebody tell me why they are doing this? What transgender athlete has won a gold medal at any sport in the last 20 years? Why are we not doing genetic testing for men too to make sure nobody has genetic advantages in the male category? If Usain Bolt was born with a genetic mutation that makes his ceiling higher than other men, all his records should be removed because that’s an unfair advantage.

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

The Algerian boxer was assigned female at birth, raised as a girl, and self-identifies as a woman. So she is the very definition of a cisgender woman.

But she will be banned under this policy. I am not sure about the boxer from Chinese Taipei.

trollism wrote:

It would be surprising to everyone if Hodgkinson or Battocletti went through a male puberty I imagine.

Melissa Bishop wrote:

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

The Algerian boxer was assigned female at birth, raised as a girl, and self-identifies as a woman. So she is the very definition of a cisgender woman.

No, "self identification" does not make someone a cisgender female.

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

trollism wrote:

It would be surprising to everyone if Hodgkinson or Battocletti went through a male puberty I imagine.

Being SRY positive does not mean one goes through "male puberty."

People with CAIS are SRY positive. They don't go through "male puberty."

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samcallan wrote:

You might say: use birth certificates. That would work

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

Melissa Bishop wrote:

No, "self identification" does not make someone a cisgender female.

"Being assigned female at birth" does.

HBHS 220y wrote:

samcallan wrote:

You might say: use birth certificates. That would work

It clearly won't. Just because the doctor took a quick look and wrote "Female" on the birth certificate DOESN'T mean that there is no chance of DSD or even the baby being fully male, with malformed or undeveloped genitals. Just because a doctor -- or some clerk - writes "Female" doesn't make the baby female. Stick with SRY tests, done by the IOC or another international body, because as we saw with the "female" boxers in Paris, the national committees can be all-in on protecting their athletes, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that they should be banned.

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

Melissa Bishop wrote:

No, "self identification" does not make someone a cisgender female.

"Being assigned female at birth" does.

trollism wrote:

The reality was that Semenya lived her life as a boy and the only time she identified as female was when she was crushing the women on the track and flexing her girlie biceps at the beaten female athletes.

xy vs xx wrote:

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

"Being assigned female at birth" does.

Lacking a "Y" chromosome does.

eagleeye wrote:

samcallan wrote:

Also, just because no one has won gold (although the Algerian boxer might be such a case) does not mean there is not an issue. In 2021 there was a transwoman in the weightlifting competition at the Games. She (and I will use the preferred pronouns because I am a decent person) did take the spot of a person who would meet the criteria and denied that person the chance to be called an Olympian and compete.

One aspect that especially concerns me about this is women who may have gone their entire lives not knowing they have the SRY gene mutation. Imagine if somebody like Keely Hodgkinson or Nadia Battocletti finds out this way that they have had an unfair advantage all along. But I guess that would be the byproduct of a ruling like this.

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

samcallan wrote:

Also, just because no one has won gold (although the Algerian boxer might be such a case) does not mean there is not an issue. In 2021 there was a transwoman in the weightlifting competition at the Games. She (and I will use the preferred pronouns because I am a decent person) did take the spot of a person who would meet the criteria and denied that person the chance to be called an Olympian and compete.

The Algerian boxer was assigned female at birth, raised as a girl, and self-identifies as a woman. So she is the very definition of a cisgender woman.

But she will be banned under this policy. I am not sure about the boxer from Chinese Taipei.

samcallan wrote:

women (as defined by biology)

xy vs xx wrote:

eagleeye wrote:

One aspect that especially concerns me about this is women who may have gone their entire lives not knowing they have the SRY gene mutation. Imagine if somebody like Keely Hodgkinson or Nadia Battocletti finds out this way that they have had an unfair advantage all along. But I guess that would be the byproduct of a ruling like this.

The odds of them being DSD are the odds of Kipyegon being DSD. 0%.

Melissa Bishop wrote:

Does this mean that I now get awarded the gold medal in the women's 800 at the 2016 Olympics?