Obviously, they want to win. But just recruiting older foreigners doesn't seem right. It's against the spirit of a college competition. I'm glad they didn't win and the championship went to Georgia instead.
Silan Ayyildiz is 26 (born Oct 10, 1999) and Wilma Nielsen, the winner of the women's mile, is 24 and she'll be 25 in June. (born June 2, 2001).
Pretty sure most everyone agrees that athletes at that age should not be competing in NCAA.
It's up to NCAA to change the rules.
yes, we have done this to death. And foreign born athletes? We need to decide what we want NCAA to be. If its just a minor league before going pro then why should it be any different than any other minor league. On the other hand...
come to think of it, are there not like multiple gold medalists on swim and gymnastics in the NCAA currently? Jordan Chiles, Suni Lee (auburn). That would be like Jokic or Doncic paying BBall right now for UCLA.
We need to figure out what we want.
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I'm glad they didn't win and the championship went to Georgia instead.
Wow, THOUGHTSLEADER just posted a thread on how Adaejah Hodge from Georgia just finished up a silent ban (she scored 18 of their points and helped them to the team title).
I don't like the age creep into the 25-26 year old range. They should be pros, or done with the sport. That's how it hits me.
For this year, I'd imagine there will be a higher than average population of 24 year holds because the Covid year allowance, plus an injury, gave them 6 yrs to complete 4. Seems like all the remaining Covid eligibility will pass through the snake this year.
This always comes up here but makes no sense. You can go to college at any age and if you have eligibility and can make a team you should. I took time after HS and went to college at 23 and then back for my MBA at 40. No reason I couldn't compete as an athlete either time assuming I had eligibility.
The NCAA cannot put an age limit on participation in college sports. They used to have a limit and it was overturned in court as age discrimination.
Okay, I understand "age discrimination" but in cases like this - where being older and having more years to develop athletically is clearly an advantage - it seems like age discrimination shouldn't apply.
To be the devil's advocate: why does the high school system have a tighter rein on age though? IIRC, some states don't allow people over the age of 19 to participate in high school sports? I'm thinking of Weini Kalati - I believe she was 19 and then had to stop competing (correct me if I'm wrong, I believe she went to school in Maryland) in high school sponsored sports, even though she was still in high school.
You're wrong about the state (it was Virginia, not Maryland) but right that she had to stop participating in HS sport in VA when she turned 19.
This always comes up here but makes no sense. You can go to college at any age and if you have eligibility and can make a team you should. I took time after HS and went to college at 23 and then back for my MBA at 40. No reason I couldn't compete as an athlete either time assuming I had eligibility.
(Putting aside whether it's a good thing) You're correct you could compete either time, but I'm pretty sure yo could not compete BOTH times -- I think you need to complete your eligibility within a certain number of years after you start using it (which is -- part of, anyhow-- why you see cases with people fighting for additional eligibility years past their fifth year)
Obviously, they want to win. But just recruiting older foreigners doesn't seem right. It's against the spirit of a college competition. I'm glad they didn't win and the championship went to Georgia instead.
Silan Ayyildiz is 26 (born Oct 10, 1999) and Wilma Nielsen, the winner of the women's mile, is 24 and she'll be 25 in June. (born June 2, 2001).
If you don't like this, ask USATF to start U23 championships like Europeans do.
We’ve seen this movie before. Remember the UTEP teams of the late 70’s and early 80’s? Suleiman Nyambui Was 29 when he graduated in ‘82 - 4 x NCAA 10,000 champion. A bunch of other championships as well. Somehow that ended. Did other teams refuse to run them?
I'm glad they didn't win and the championship went to Georgia instead.
Wow, THOUGHTSLEADER just posted a thread on how Adaejah Hodge from Georgia just finished up a silent ban (she scored 18 of their points and helped them to the team title).
there needs to be age limits in collegiate athletics. I'm sorry but the Oregon women appear much older than the field, specifically the Morrocan one. Not to mention if you competed as a pro prior to coming to the US collegiate system that should take 1 year of eligibility as well. Loved seeing youngster freshman Jane and Sadie dominate. Sadie would have won had there been a better opening.
Look, I'm also not thrilled about bringing in athletes that are closer to 30 than 20. But are they age cheats if they are competing under their actual birthdates and ages?
I think the rules should be reconsidered, but Age Cheat implies something like what WA has penalized Ethiopia for doing (see Birke Haylom, Melknat Wudu and Medina Eisa). Not what Oregon is doing with Wilma and Silan.
These programs need to be shamed publicly every time a 25 year old wins a title. Same with all the overage sprinters, jumpers and throwers too.
No 25 year olds won. I guess they will have to wait until next time.
This always comes up here but makes no sense. You can go to college at any age and if you have eligibility and can make a team you should. I took time after HS and went to college at 23 and then back for my MBA at 40. No reason I couldn't compete as an athlete either time assuming I had eligibility.
(Putting aside whether it's a good thing) You're correct you could compete either time, but I'm pretty sure yo could not compete BOTH times -- I think you need to complete your eligibility within a certain number of years after you start using it (which is -- part of, anyhow-- why you see cases with people fighting for additional eligibility years past their fifth year)
Yes, and additionally, if you don't enroll at a college within a year after finishing HS, you lose a season of eligibility. I'm not sure whether you start losing more than one season if you take even more time.
Look, I'm also not thrilled about bringing in athletes that are closer to 30 than 20. But are they age cheats if they are competing under their actual birthdates and ages?
I think the rules should be reconsidered, but Age Cheat implies something like what WA has penalized Ethiopia for doing (see Birke Haylom, Melknat Wudu and Medina Eisa). Not what Oregon is doing with Wilma and Silan.
I’m a d3 guy nowhere near fast enough for my opinion to matter much, but 24 is totally fine. If you turn 18 senior year of high school, took a gap year (not rare), enter college at 19, and redshirt a year for whatever reason that gets you to 24. Even if the circumstances leading to someone still being in the NCAA at 24/25 ish are a bit different than that it’s fine by me.
I have other issues with older foreign athletes taking roster spots at public, tax-subsidized universities in the U.S. and athletes not entering the NCAA till they’re 22+ (idk if that’s the case here, didn’t read into it much).
Americans are rising to the level of competition brought about by the influx of foreign athletes. Kinda cherry-picking an event here, but the indoor nationals men’s 3k was “won” by a 22yo foreign athlete, followed by 3 American athletes who are normal college aged. Men’s mile was also cleaned up by normal aged Americans.