D3 superstar Seth Clevenger is a national champion! Solos 13:35 5000 to shatter DIII meet record

I keep thinking about this. This is a 20ish year old kid who seems to not realize how much he's screwed up his life and can't appreciate how much worse he's making it. The doping story is the first thing that comes up when you google him. It's going to follow him outside of running. He's either going through a personal internal hell right now, or he feels nothing at all. Either way, he appears to have no real adult providing him guidance.

By their very nature, dopers have a very distorted relationship with ethics. It's a tale as old as time: deny, distract, defend, intimidate, threaten law suits, and insulate yourself inside a bubble of people who believe you. Lance Armstrong and Marion Jones vehemently denied for YEARS that they doped, both going so far as to lie to federal investigators about it and perjure themselves! Of course they both later admitted to doping. Also worth noting that neither of them tested positive despite years of scrutiny and testing.

Indeed. Really shows the benefits of peptides and EPO, and a lax testing regime. Just avoid the Tylenol and vaccines.

Thing is, we don't really know what happened at Iowa State. The lax NCAA testing regime in the end hurts the sport, Iowa State, Clevenger, and Rowan. A shame—regardless of whether there are enhancements, Clevenger was never a bad runner.

The Rowan coaches have disgraced themselves and their program with this farce.

No D3 programs should invite Rowan to their meets, or attend meets at Rowan while these coaches are in charge. Don't validate them, they're blatantly cheating and throwing it in everyone's face at the national meet.

New to the forum but need to vent or get out straight. Started about a year ago watching running content on insta and YT. It’s obvious whose in it for the running and whose in it for the attention.

cannot stand - Globerunnergriff- Philly B - Tommy trees - anya C - the dental bloke - Ewan. They are all so fake and a friend checked their followers and seems like they have purchased the majority.

are there any normal people worth a follow that don’t beg for the attention?

He also just totally screwed up the race. Hammerand and Leblond were brave and went with him, but of course couldn't hang with the epo boy and fell off. This resulted in these 2 top guys' races being destroyed due to their effort to compete with a cheater, and ultimately making the finishing order of the guys behind Seth being scewed.

Shoutout to Leblond and Hammerand for giving it a go, hopefully we can have a clean, fair outdoor 5000.

Yeah. I mean, look, we don’t know what happened, really. Lots of good reporting, but so far a lot of hearsay and not a lot of hard facts.

But what’s frustrating as a fan, and I expect doubly so as an athlete, is that everything is cloaked in secrecy because the NCAA’s testing and enforcement regime stinks.

I just hope Rowan doesn’t win the title. They may not be cheaters, but they sure are coming across as cheaters. And Clevenger’s antics and his coaches’ choices are affecting that whole team’s reputation. Which, right now, is in the dirt across D3.

I hope Coach Dubois’ bday cake tastes bad today

Oshkosh will quite literally have to fumble whatever events they have left and Rowan would need to score every single point imaginable in high jump to secure the title

Oskosh just has one guy in the 200 left. Rowan has five guys in the high jump, two guys in the 200 and SC in the 3000.

3000: Rowan 10, Oshkosh 0. So that makes it 53-46. If Rowan's five high jump guys can get 8 points between them, then it's 54-53 going into the 200. The 200 guy would have to beat the Rowan 200 runners by at least two places to win.

Will be a close meet in the end, but I think as of now Rowan probably wins.

Aye. I was mathing this out after I posted. May be another WIAC podium sweep, even. Although Rowan has a reasonable shot at 2 or 3.

Saw a comment yesterday that said “you know something is seriously wrong when people are supporting LaX”

Btw Oshkosh has an 800 guy

4 points behind Rowan:
UW LaX right now:

1 in high jump - yet to compete

Zywicki in the mile

Collin in the hot section of 400

Cael in the 8

Luke in the first section of the 200

5 guys in the 3k

hot heat of 4x4

I think even a half decent day, LaX will take it. It’ll come down to how that 3k play out though along with the mile since if they go tactical literally anything could happen

JAYDEN ZYWICKI INOOOOOO😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

SC is also listed in the results as having run a 4:03 anchor split on Rowan's DMR, just over an hour after soloing a 13:35.

He might have been able to pick up a few critical points for Rowan in the DMR if he hadn't ran as hard in the 5k.

Clevenger set his 5k PR of 13:32.09 at BU, the fastest track in the country, in a race with 7 guys within 5 seconds of him at the finish. His mile PR is 3:59.41.

At a slower track, he runs just 3.5 seconds (0.43%) slower, leading from the second lap on (5 seconds clear of the field by 2k). Then just over an hour later, he runs the equivalent of 4:05.35 for the full mile (2.5% slower than his PB).

For comparison, a comparable performance from Grant Fisher would be running 12:47.38 solo, then 70 minutes later, running 3:53 (roughly as fast his quickest 1600m segment of his recent 2k at New Balance).

Right. The problem is anyone who knows about this will put an asterisk beside these accomplishments because it's sure a lot easier to progress and train using banned substances, and that's what has been alleged he has done.

Again, Clevenger was never a slow runner. But he'll never be considered a legit, clean runner unless that cloud over him is cleared up (as opposed to forgotten, because it won't be forgotten).

A shame all around.