A Ruthe 1500m progression comparison to the other prodigies; Ingebrigtsen, Laros, Myers

This is where posters start talking about Christian values. "Good" people would never dope.

It is only strange to one who doesn't wish to see what stares them in the face about a doped sport.

A 3:47.48 converts to a 3:30.6; I wonder if the OP would care to update his table with the correct values.

Disingenuous. People HAVE explained it. Repeatedly. In several threads. You just don't listen. Great genes. Only training seriously for two years and did low mileage his first year. Training with an elite coach and a professional runner. Using bicarb and nomio.

Your mind is closed on this topic, yet you keep asking for explanations. Why? Nothing anyone says can convince you that he's clean, so why do you bother to continue asking the questions?

And: is it really so shocking that someone can run faster on the bouncy BU track with super shoes than someone ran on a grass track with whatever crappy-by-comparison shoes runners had to wear over 60 years ago?

Ryun was gangly looking compared to Ruthe. The results were suited to his long limbs. Ruthe is more power oriented, taking advantage of what he is cranking into the spring shoes.

Many times you used Snell's and Elliott's performances from 60+ years ago as some sort of benchmark - liar.

Let's see if he can improve by 5 more seconds. If so: when?

Regarding my comment on Ryun, I was thinking specifically of a B&W photo of him with his shorts hiked up, standing next to Snell. But there are other photos indicating he was a ripped strong physical specimen, so he too may have additionally benefited, to some degree, from the spring shoes. But maybe Ruthe (and the likes of Hocker) would comparatively be much worse if they had to run in Ryun’s shoes on clay tracks.

I wouldnt say belittling. Everyone knows east africans are mass doping by now,and obviously its part of their running culture.You,yourself have called them out,and you got attacked for it. Its all very sad,and unfortunate,that they feel they have to use drugs,but there it is. I dont care if people dope or not. Not my business,and if people want to put strange drugs in their bodies,go knock yourself out. Im glad im not a clean athlete trying to compete with that.It has to be impossible to beat them,clean.

you said it. there is a paradigm shift. all bets are off. jacob was quite enough of a game changer, and now we have laros, myers, ruthe, and who else?

personally i need to recalibrate, as the old formula of doping, progressions, training, etc. something has fundamentally changed, shoes, tracks bicarb, amino acids, traning the gambit, i do not have a handle on it, formerly i would be comfortable in commentary, based on the fundamentals from coaches of note, with minimal novelty from this side.

some of this was predicted by percy cerutty, and actually arch jelley, coach of john walker, though i can't speak for them, the way it is playing out, maybe not what they envisioned.

you can google arch jelley on his 101 year birthday about snell, advances, and equivalent times back in the day.

and maybe read about percy cerutti predictions from his books back in the day.

every evolving Gault, can supplement his learnings with the above. he's close to the premier journalist already, with few holes , being subtleties in elite training and certanily insider ped know how.

also really required reading is the books by gordon pirie, he was quite the guy, nuts somewhat, with come fundamentals, which are expressed, i think in today's shoes.

there you go

i expect nothing short of 3:35 world record mile (8 seconds faster than el g) by 2035

Even Ryun’s coach said back in ‘64 that someday things will get to a point where incredible times, even records, would be “routinely” achieved by teens. Maybe we’re finally getting there.

i never read anything about Ryuns coach, people like Gault, may find these posts interesting, next level scholarship. some here don't know what they are looking at, though a google might reward them. Arch Jelley was middle age when Snell won in Rome, and knows the inside story, at least many of them, about the WR on grass etc. of course very detail about Walker's gold medal run, the 800 failure in the heats, for Arch was John's roommate and coach in Montreal,...

actually Gault might interview Arch Jelly, who is active or was in his interview a few months ago at age 102, and remembers all the numbers, times, exactly. though i have no idea if an invitation would be accepted.

Ruthe’s 3000m time as a 15yr-old was 55secs faster than Laros’ time at the same age.

Sam Ruthe appears to be on a different performance level than those other running ‘prodigies’.

Why was my previous post removed?

last I looked it was 2026. Everybody has a different sweet spot re training maybe 90km which is definitely high for a 16 year old is Ruthes sweet spot ... this theory that the more milage you do the quicker you will be is so old school and absolutely is not relevant for the supershoe era. Also why are we saying that Ruthe only ran 3.49 for 1500 when he was 15 when his best time was 3.41 .... lets not cherry pick as its misleading .