BMC 800 Watford

jeez, the blonde guy ran the first 100m in 11.0, something wrong here.

SOMEONE pls, are these times LEGIT ?

is there an official word anywhere?

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explain wrote:

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No wonder they ran so fast.....they started in the wrong place.....still, not bad for 790m!!!

http://www.sportuk.tv/pages/athletics/index.html

790m? What do you base that on? They started on the 800m start line didn't they?

looks like the 800 (or 200) meter start line if you ask me. although the outside lanes looked a bit odd (it seemed like the stagger from lane 6 to 7, or 7 to 8 perhaps, was a shorter distance than the staggers in the other lanes).

the guy who was the rabbit started in front of the field (is that a violation of iaaf standards?) by a step or two. other than that, everyone looks to be on the correct line. and i think that hill came out of lane 2, so even if by some chance they were using the 400m start staggers (which i don't think they were), hill would have had a fairly negligible advantage.

No worries. Everything was legit.

I sincerely hope not but there may well be a question mark in terms of qualifying standards for the European championships etc as the pace maker did start in front of the designated start line. I really hope this does not affect the legitamcy of the times as the guys from 1st to last all ran huge pb's and all deserve all the credit they get.

Well done lads

I'm sorry but this is not legit, the Pacemaker started from the wrong point.

Pacemakers always start in front of the line in BMC races, to ensure over eager people don't stop them getting to the front in a hectic start off the curved line. It makes no difference to the other athlete's times so i don't see the problem.

the problem my friend is one of following the actual rules.

and it does make a difference, you say so yourself, it stops overeager people getting to the front. So it alters the race in other words, right my friend?

piss off!

if you don't like the team get out of the stadium, so if you don't like the thread you know what to do!

sounds like your just a hater!

so what if the pace maker starts a yard in front, he also finishes early too, gonna pull out the rule book on that one!

get a life, get a PB

I'm not a hater but if its not a legit its not legit.

SIMPLE.

hope this catches on and those times are not proper for qualification. not to mean but if you start bending the rules then where do you end up?

calm down. save your energy for training or something.

pff wrote:

Pacemakers always start in front of the line in BMC races, to ensure over eager people don't stop them getting to the front in a hectic start off the curved line. It makes no difference to the other athlete's times so i don't see the problem.

What?They always do that?So what about letting pacemakers start at halfway?When you are entering a race you have to start at correct position, no matter who you are what your goal is, sorry but this race is not legit according to the IAAF rules.It's a shame cause these guys would have run fast anyway.

That seems ludicrous. How do they possibly think they'll get a valid time for the winners by doing that? Of course it won't stand now, it's there for everyone to see - in the same way that a woman running a WR in a mixed race (on track) wouldn't be able to stand for record purposes.

Real shame, since those guys were clearly flying and it won't have given them any advantage at all probably

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What I really want to know is why on earth does Michael Rimmer always wear a t-shirt underneath his vest??????

Not a hater but that does seem strange. Pacemaker starts half a stride ahead of the stagger line but so does the athlete in white in lane 6. Perhaps it would be ok if he ran the entire bend on the outside of the lane but he goes straight to the inside of the lane. No doubt these boys ran quick but there are some questions to be answered or indeed some rules to be explained to those of us who don\'t understand. Is Tim Grose reading? Maybe he can answer?

Technically the officials are not allowed to start the race till every starter is at correct position, the race has to get annulated.

The pacemaker started in front of the line, the athletes did not. The pacemaker doesn't finish the race, he's purely there to show the athletes the correct pace. If the best way of doing this is for him to start a fraction ahead then it shouldn't be a problem.

I think if you look at the rules it may be bending it a bit, but there is also something in the same paragraph in the IAAF rules about not giving assistance from the competition area, so when Jos Hermens stands on the inside of the track telling Gebresailaise or Bekele to quicken up he is also technically breaking the rules, but I dont see all the Ethiopians records getting knocked off, so I reckon we should lay off the Brit guys and applaud their times instead.

And dont even get me started on all those East Geramns who broke the WR, admitted to taking drugs yet still somehow keep their records.

gilbert wrote:

Pacemaker starts half a stride ahead of the stagger line but so does the athlete in white in lane 6.

Gilbert, the guy in white in lane 6 was the first pacemaker. Did you watch the race or just look at the start line? It was Ian Lowthian of Sale Harriers.

Will email TG etc to see what the stattos view of this thread is, so hopefully one of them will post here soon.

As far as i am concerned, i couldn't care less where the pacemaker starts, on the line, in front of the line, at the halfway point....who cares? If its advertised as a paced race, then it shouldn't be a surprise if certain things are done to make the pacemaking most effective.

I am more interested in looking forward to the European Trials than debating the pacemakers start position or IAAF rules, but just thought i would offer my thoughts.