Dude, he would have easily been under Gray’s mark had his brother moved out into lane 2. This bodes well for the 800 if he can maintain the sub 3:30 1500 shape. Wanyonyi is in trouble unless he gets back to that Paris 800m shape we he was in.
Wrapping up this 600m run with naysayer consensus comments.
Too bad I can't get behind the guy. Nothing in his portfolio up to the age of 25 comes anywhere close to validating this result. Nothing.
Hoey is more sus than Katir, who was triple red flag all the way. After the race he continued without pause for a 6 minute pace glory high 5 lap, which is the tell tale. EPO effect.
At age 20 to 25 he was a 147 high guy, and a 348 1500 guy at best. And IAAF has no results for 400m, where he had to have run 46 in his sprint prime years, you don't go from the 48 high at best which comes with a 147 high, down to running 47 mid and another 200m at that pace.
He might be on something new. and "legal" with his budget. EPO itself isn't just a blood booster, it is anti inflammatory, and effectively halves or more recovery time, which is more the key, as blood boosting methods are out there plenty, and legal. It is like having Viren's blood bags with turbo juice in them.
Right now you have a guy with 46 flat at worst and 329 at worst.
The next bit of the farce would be to win some long distance road race against elites.
That is 800m WR territory no doubt.
Then again, it is a new era, where the haphazard use of diet and supplements like NAC, amino acids, peptides, bicarb, and etc.
Where 327 1500 and 141 is the norm for top 10. It's just a new era, with the athletes proving what works, and might be a great experiment for longevity and performance as we age.
I don't like the fraud of it, but the overall benefits and understanding is of great benefit.
Yeah I thought I was the only one who thought the " raw speed theory " was comical
On another note most of you in here were predicting Hoey's demise because of his coaching change. What future 800, middle distance runners out to do is ask him how is he so resilient!! Josh was stuck for a few years , and found a coach who brought him to an elite level. Now he is branching out on his own! I wish Josh the best of luck
People were suggesting that he should take a small break between seasons - not that he would suck immediately if he didn't.
After his 3:29 I assumed his limiting factor in the 800 was now his 400m PB.
He went through in 47.6 for this 600 so I'm assuming assuming he's in 46 400 shape so as long as he can maintain this 600 shape at the same time as 3:29 shape then 1:41 is a guarantee. Assuming he hasn't gone all in on 400/800 and abandoned his 1500 shape.
Finally, a 400m split. So much fluff in the write-up, it's taken me 10-minutes to find the splits. Enough talk, "Show me the money."
I think this should be a wake up call to the future 800m pros (might be too late for guys 27-30 I fear).
Speed is the limiting factor for basically all of them. If you want to get faster at the 800, your 400m, your 200m, your 100m, will need to go down accordingly.
This. I've always said it and I'll say it again. 400 speed kills.
Hoey going out in 47.6 does not mean he is capable of 45 in the open. These people need to cool it with their hilariously unrealistic 400M predicitions.
Hoey would run roughly the same time as Seb Coe did over 400m at best.
The thing is, at this point, Hoey doesn't really need to be any faster over 400m. If he already has the endurance to run sub 3:30, then there's no point in him improving his quarter speed. It would be different if he was a 400/800 runner that could run 44.xx and also a 4:00 mile. But that's not his case.
I'm not a fan of the guy, I think he is very shady, and if he ends up breaking the 800M WR I won't be thrilled. But, all that aside, it seems like he has all the tools he needs to do it.
Yeah I thought I was the only one who thought the " raw speed theory " was comical
On another note most of you in here were predicting Hoey's demise because of his coaching change. What future 800, middle distance runners out to do is ask him how is he so resilient!! Josh was stuck for a few years , and found a coach who brought him to an elite level. Now he is branching out on his own! I wish Josh the best of luck
It hasn’t beeen that long since the split, so he’s still coasting off the training from his previous coach. Let’s revisit this in a year and see how it plays out.
Dude, he would have easily been under Gray’s mark had his brother moved out into lane 2. This bodes well for the 800 if he can maintain the sub 3:30 1500 shape. Wanyonyi is in trouble unless he gets back to that Paris 800m shape we he was in.
Lol im sure the Olympic and World champ is shaking in his spikes
Dude, he would have easily been under Gray’s mark had his brother moved out into lane 2. This bodes well for the 800 if he can maintain the sub 3:30 1500 shape. Wanyonyi is in trouble unless he gets back to that Paris 800m shape we he was in.
Wanyonyi is planning on ditching the 800 after next year, but he did run 1:41.4 last year. He’s a frontrunner which is an effective if vulnerable strategy (almost guarantees podium with his fitness/consistency, but makes winning a delicate balance) in the 800. It feels like he can narrowly be had but you need a near-perfect ride to beat him. Hoey hasn’t been the most trustworthy in that, and Sedjati/Arop have shown how hard it to get it right to the level where you beat him. Arop a whisker short in Paris. Hoey can get in this mix but every year it seems like the big 3 end up being the clear podium.