They couldn't win with anyone actually from north carolina?
North Carolina State womens team champions Scorers: 5th Hannah Gapes NC State (JR) 18:51.3 - New Zealand 6 Grace Hartman NC State (JR) 18:52.6 - Ohio 29 Bethany Michalak NC State (SO) 19:14.9 - Colorado 40 Angelina Napoleon NC State (SO) 19:22.7 - New York 51 Sadie Engelhardt NC State (FR) 19:32.4 - California -------------------------------- 117 Brooke Rauber NC State (SR) 20:02.3 - New York 155 Fleur Templier NC State (JR) 20:16.2 - France
From what I have seen the top NC HS runners often choose UNC or an out of state school. Bell to Georgetown, Dalton to ND, Shaffer to UNC, Kermes to UVA even Alder went to BYU (w family). cue the NC St is not a good school comments
NC State is able to deliver more results with less raw talent and resources. Just better coaching and development.
C'mon everyone knows Tuohy carried them to victory yesterday. Did you see on the broadcast who all the girls immediately ran up to and hugged? I think I heard them chant "Touhy" right before the start while in a circle with hands in.
When did KT go from the bell of the ball to being made fun of for everything she does? She was there, didnt have to be, no doubt helped pump up the troops. Good on her.
From what I have seen the top NC HS runners often choose UNC or an out of state school. Bell to Georgetown, Dalton to ND, Shaffer to UNC, Kermes to UVA even Alder went to BYU (w family). cue the NC St is not a good school comments
This is true. NC State is actually a great school, but it doesn’t have the appeal/panache that UNC, Wake, UVA and even smaller regional schools like Furman have. It has a much more blue collar - in the true sense of the word - feel to it, so it’s just not going to pull all the local talent.
With girls, especially, so many of the better runners also tend to be good students (and high achievers) so they want that higher end degree.
I can’t explain why NC State isn’t more respected academically, but it’s a fantastic school and it should have a better reputation because some of their schools (design, architecture, vet, computer science) are ranked very high in the nation. No, I did not go there.
This is true. NC State is actually a great school, but it doesn’t have the appeal/panache that UNC, Wake, UVA and even smaller regional schools like Furman have. It has a much more blue collar - in the true sense of the word - feel to it, so it’s just not going to pull all the local talent.
With girls, especially, so many of the better runners also tend to be good students (and high achievers) so they want that higher end degree.
I can’t explain why NC State isn’t more respected academically, but it’s a fantastic school and it should have a better reputation because some of their schools (design, architecture, vet, computer science) are ranked very high in the nation. No, I did not go there.
A lot of the disrespect comes from people that just don’t know any better. Those that do know, even if they’re unbiased, know it’s a great school.
C'mon everyone knows Tuohy carried them to victory yesterday. Did you see on the broadcast who all the girls immediately ran up to and hugged? I think I heard them chant "Touhy" right before the start while in a circle with hands in.
When did KT go from the bell of the ball to being made fun of for everything she does? She was there, didnt have to be, no doubt helped pump up the troops. Good on her.
I agree but there are people that don’t like her for whatever reason. Some people are just demented and don’t like to see others succeed. Normally it’s losers that don’t have anything going well in their lives. Also, some people just delight in schadenfreude.
I don’t get the hate towards KT. She was the consummate team player at NC State, is humble, and is a good person. If she were selfish, gloated a lot, or whatever, perhaps she would have been more liked.
When did KT go from the bell of the ball to being made fun of for everything she does? She was there, didnt have to be, no doubt helped pump up the troops. Good on her.
I agree but there are people that don’t like her for whatever reason. Some people are just demented and don’t like to see others succeed. Normally it’s losers that don’t have anything going well in their lives. Also, some people just delight in schadenfreude.
I don’t get the hate towards KT. She was the consummate team player at NC State, is humble, and is a good person. If she were selfish, gloated a lot, or whatever, perhaps she would have been more liked.
Also, remember that this is LetsRun. There are many here that don't like any woman that is faster than them. There are many here that don't like any girl or woman, regardless of who they are.
When did KT go from the bell of the ball to being made fun of for everything she does?
I don’t get the hate towards KT. She was the consummate team player at NC State, is humble, and is a good person. If she were selfish, gloated a lot, or whatever, perhaps she would have been more liked.
I can tell you where it came from: a bunch of creepy obsessed men on this board who have shoved her down everyone's throat for the past 10 years. There have been more threads about her than probably the next 10 top HS runners combined over that time. I personally don't have anything against her and certainly don't hate her, but I absolutely root for her to lose and have for at least 4 years now. The reason is because it is not enough for these creepers to relentlessly praise Tuohy, they RELENTLESSLY BASH AND CRITICIZE AND ACCUSE EVERY ONE OF HER COMPETITORS AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY. It is just disgusting and it has turned a lot of people off. If they would have laid off of Valby, Hedengren, Wiley, Hutchins, Cook, and everyone else, I would still root for her. But not now. It's gone on far too long. I'll be rooting for Valby to win next USATF XC and rooting for Tuohy to finish dead last, just to spite these creepy guys. And I won't be the only one.
Exactly what you said. Henes gets a contact from abroad:
"Hi, I'm a runner from South Africa and I have seen your NCAA results and some youtube videos and think I'd be a great fit at NC State.
I was 3rd this year in South African xc youth final. My times are 2:08/4:48/10:18.
I will not need a scholarship, as my father is a sr manager at his company, and my schooling is part of his compensation package.
I very much hope to come and run and study in the USA. Please let me know if you are interested, so I can plan a campus visit. NC State is my first choice, so I really hope we can make this happen."
I don’t get the hate towards KT. She was the consummate team player at NC State, is humble, and is a good person. If she were selfish, gloated a lot, or whatever, perhaps she would have been more liked.
I can tell you where it came from: a bunch of creepy obsessed men on this board who have shoved her down everyone's throat for the past 10 years. There have been more threads about her than probably the next 10 top HS runners combined over that time. I personally don't have anything against her and certainly don't hate her, but I absolutely root for her to lose and have for at least 4 years now. The reason is because it is not enough for these creepers to relentlessly praise Tuohy, they RELENTLESSLY BASH AND CRITICIZE AND ACCUSE EVERY ONE OF HER COMPETITORS AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY. It is just disgusting and it has turned a lot of people off. If they would have laid off of Valby, Hedengren, Wiley, Hutchins, Cook, and everyone else, I would still root for her. But not now. It's gone on far too long. I'll be rooting for Valby to win next USATF XC and rooting for Tuohy to finish dead last, just to spite these creepy guys. And I won't be the only one.
There is primarily one guy and his name is Astro. One guy doesn’t constitute a “bunch.” I agree, the bashing on Valby, Jane, Wiley, or whomever else is unwarranted. I cheer for them all.
There is primarily one guy and his name is Astro. One guy doesn’t constitute a “bunch.” I agree, the bashing on Valby, Jane, Wiley, or whomever else is unwarranted. I cheer for them all.
Actually astro is a big Tuohy fan. He gets as much grief as Tuohy from the critics.
There is primarily one guy and his name is Astro. One guy doesn’t constitute a “bunch.” I agree, the bashing on Valby, Jane, Wiley, or whomever else is unwarranted. I cheer for them all.
Actually astro is a big Tuohy fan. He gets as much grief as Tuohy from the critics.
You're probably joking anyway.
Why would I be joking? I said that Astro is the one always hyping Tuohy and he unfairly disparages others. I like Tuohy but like a lot of the others that he bashes. Unfortunately he has made her a target and she doesn’t deserve it. He’s a idiot.
Ahhh so now the gripe isn’t foreign athletes but foreign athletes from non-English speaking countries. Totally makes sense.
I don't have any gripes - I have not posted on this topic in this or any other thread.
- Some people have complained about international athletes with respect to age and/or already being at a professional level. The international runners on NC State's women's team entered college at the same age as the American runners, and by far their athlete closest to being able to run professionally coming in was Englehart. The second-best incoming recruit on the roster was either Michalek or Napolean.
- A slightly different complaint is that some schools are simply buying success, either through already highly developed international athletes or by poaching the best experienced collegiate athletes as transfers. (I don't know how you draw the line between "poaching" and "athlete wanted to go to a better program.") NC State's 7th runner at NCAA is only one of the 10 women who ran at NCAA, regional, or ACC who did not enter NC State as an 18-year old freshman. Aside from that recent transfer, their 5th runner, who I think was the #2 US true freshman in the meet, is the only one of the 10 you could arguably say was already as good when she arrived as she is now (since she's only been in college for three months and five races, the last four of which were a distance she'd never run before.)
- Another poster noted that they saw a difference between foreign athletes that reach out to a program and schools hiring a company to bring in high level runners. I pointed out that two of the four foreign runners were from English speaking countries without a strong university athletic system, so it makes sense to think they would look to the U.S., and they were at a level it was more likely they contacted schools rather than being represented by a placement agent. A third was a transfer after two years at another school (that was 2500 miles further from her home) and likely followed the same process as other transfers. I pointed out Martinez as the outlier, as her not having obviously attended school in English meant those assumptions didn't apply. But I seriously doubt NC State, coming off three straight NCAA titles, was paying a agency to find a Spanish high schooler who peaked two years earlier. (I don't know anything about any of these women other than what you can find on TFRRS and the WA database.)
I haven't bothered to look up details, but I'm pretty sure you could make all these points, probably even more strongly, about BYU. (You wouldn't even have to explain their international runners, since they don't have any. But with Hutchins out for the season, only Hedengren rates as a true superstar recruit.)
Well you put a strange amount of emphasis on there foreigners being from English-speaking countries as if that is relevant.
Actually astro is a big Tuohy fan. He gets as much grief as Tuohy from the critics.
You're probably joking anyway.
Why would I be joking? I said that Astro is the one always hyping Tuohy and he unfairly disparages others. I like Tuohy but like a lot of the others that he bashes. Unfortunately he has made her a target and she doesn’t deserve it. He’s a idiot.
Ooops I thought you were saying he was a leading Tuohy critic.
This is true. NC State is actually a great school, but it doesn’t have the appeal/panache that UNC, Wake, UVA and even smaller regional schools like Furman have. It has a much more blue collar - in the true sense of the word - feel to it, so it’s just not going to pull all the local talent.
With girls, especially, so many of the better runners also tend to be good students (and high achievers) so they want that higher end degree.
I can’t explain why NC State isn’t more respected academically, but it’s a fantastic school and it should have a better reputation because some of their schools (design, architecture, vet, computer science) are ranked very high in the nation. No, I did not go there.
NC State is the clear 3rd best school in its "city" (region). Duke and UNC are 2 and 1. That's what I think hurts it some.
I can tell you where it came from: a bunch of creepy obsessed men on this board who have shoved her down everyone's throat for the past 10 years. There have been more threads about her than probably the next 10 top HS runners combined over that time. I personally don't have anything against her and certainly don't hate her, but I absolutely root for her to lose and have for at least 4 years now. The reason is because it is not enough for these creepers to relentlessly praise Tuohy, they RELENTLESSLY BASH AND CRITICIZE AND ACCUSE EVERY ONE OF HER COMPETITORS AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY. It is just disgusting and it has turned a lot of people off. If they would have laid off of Valby, Hedengren, Wiley, Hutchins, Cook, and everyone else, I would still root for her. But not now. It's gone on far too long. I'll be rooting for Valby to win next USATF XC and rooting for Tuohy to finish dead last, just to spite these creepy guys. And I won't be the only one.
There is primarily one guy and his name is Astro. One guy doesn’t constitute a “bunch.” I agree, the bashing on Valby, Jane, Wiley, or whomever else is unwarranted. I cheer for them all.
semihaze prompted a lot of backflash as well. At some point you would think these Tuohy bashers would stop, but not yet.
There is primarily one guy and his name is Astro. One guy doesn’t constitute a “bunch.” I agree, the bashing on Valby, Jane, Wiley, or whomever else is unwarranted. I cheer for them all.
semihaze prompted a lot of backflash as well. At some point you would think these Tuohy bashers would stop, but not yet.
LOL, I prefer it the way you originally wrote it ;)
But I 100% agree with your thinking.
There is a school rank, there is a program culture, and there is a team environment. These things don’t always come together. Otherwise why didn’t Duke won on Saturday? Sometimes you have to make a decision based on which is the most important thing to you.
C'mon everyone knows Tuohy carried them to victory yesterday. Did you see on the broadcast who all the girls immediately ran up to and hugged? I think I heard them chant "Touhy" right before the start while in a circle with hands in.
When did KT go from the bell of the ball to being made fun of for everything she does? She was there, didnt have to be, no doubt helped pump up the troops. Good on her.