Read what I wrote. I very specifically wrote "closed a version of the Michigan workout" as that is what my buddy's text said. Neither the text nor my post said they ran it exactly the way Warhurst's guys ran it. They may have but I don't know that to be true.
So please dont be that guy.
Then it isn't a "Michigan". Call it a Utah or BYU if you want. If someone wants to do it differently, then so be it, but it isn't a "version". Besides the Michigan is copyrighted/patented so only that specific version can be allowed to be called the "Michigan".
Focusing on the wrong topic in this thread.
If true, a 4:27 @ altitude would indicate she can win by close to a minute if she wishes. Don't think any other woman in NCAA can run that.
Read what I wrote. I very specifically wrote "closed a version of the Michigan workout" as that is what my buddy's text said. Neither the text nor my post said they ran it exactly the way Warhurst's guys ran it. They may have but I don't know that to be true.
So please dont be that guy.
Then it isn't a "Michigan". Call it a Utah or BYU if you want. If someone wants to do it differently, then so be it, but it isn't a "version". Besides the Michigan is copyrighted/patented so only that specific version can be allowed to be called the "Michigan".
maybe if recently includes a month ago. I find it very hard to believe a coach as good as Taylor would have her close a workout with an all out mile effort in the last week or two. Nothing in a michigan style workout involves all out efforts anyways.
maybe if recently includes a month ago. I find it very hard to believe a coach as good as Taylor would have her close a workout with an all out mile effort in the last week or two. Nothing in a michigan style workout involves all out efforts anyways.
I'm guessing you have never run a "Michigan" then?
That's if we're talking about a few weeks after a training stimulus. 6 months later is a different story.
Overtraining can take months to years to come back from. There are no shortage of stories of athletes cutting volume and improving. Even on time horizons of multiple years.
Even at the most basic level a runner could run 60 mpw easy or 40 mpw with three workouts. The second option is running less, but can result in being much faster.
We're not talking about someone who was overtrained or some hobby jogger who doesn't do any workouts. We're talking about about someone who smashed high school records. How does THAT PERSON get fitter 6 months later from running less?
maybe if recently includes a month ago. I find it very hard to believe a coach as good as Taylor would have her close a workout with an all out mile effort in the last week or two. Nothing in a michigan style workout involves all out efforts anyways.
I'm guessing you have never run a "Michigan" then?
the one i did was 10k race pace for the intervals and tempo pace miles in between on grass. Maybe the 400 was harder than race pace? None of the miles were, i'm certain of that.
We just published a great feature on Jane on the front page. The final 2/3rds of wich are behind the SC paywall for until tmw but there is a lot of insight into her training. Diljeet Taylor is trying to be very intentional with her training and has her running less than she did last year on purpose.
Taylor says Hedengren is a step above where she was in the spring and is clearly fitter than any woman Taylor has ever coached (And that includes Whittni Morgan who ran 14:48).
How can she be fitter than she was in the spring if she's running less?
Natural progression and less emphasis on races. Being pushed in workouts(to at least some extent) probably helps.
someone has to put a leash on that one before she gets hurt.
I hate to agree with Astro but this is Shelby / Katir progression level. Even at 19 I don’t buy it at all
Astro is tweaking out with cognitive dissonance right now. On one hand he is ENRAGED that Jane will push Tuohy further out of memory into forgotten unremarkable territory. On the other hand, Astro is ELATED Jane will push Valby's performances off the record books too.
Then it isn't a "Michigan". Call it a Utah or BYU if you want. If someone wants to do it differently, then so be it, but it isn't a "version". Besides the Michigan is copyrighted/patented so only that specific version can be allowed to be called the "Michigan".
Read what I wrote. I very specifically wrote "closed a version of the Michigan workout" as that is what my buddy's text said. Neither the text nor my post said they ran it exactly the way Warhurst's guys ran it. They may have but I don't know that to be true.
So please dont be that guy.
Then it isn't a "Michigan". Call it a Utah or BYU if you want. If someone wants to do it differently, then so be it, but it isn't a "version". Besides the Michigan is copyrighted/patented so only that specific version can be allowed to be called the "Michigan".
Not entirely true! The original Michigan was a tempo around the Michigan golf course, then a mile on the track - repeat three times...Ronnie also did a version in the fall that went Mile, 400, 800, 1200 (tempos inbetween). So long as it has track intervals, with tempos in-between, it's a version of a Michigan.
Then it isn't a "Michigan". Call it a Utah or BYU if you want. If someone wants to do it differently, then so be it, but it isn't a "version". Besides the Michigan is copyrighted/patented so only that specific version can be allowed to be called the "Michigan".
Focusing on the wrong topic in this thread.
If true, a 4:27 @ altitude would indicate she can win by close to a minute if she wishes. Don't think any other woman in NCAA can run that.
You improve when your body adapts to the stress of training stimulus. If there is too much stress you don’t adapt and can stagnate. Long term that can also lead to overtraining. Is this a serious question?
Taylor may have also meant that they lowered the volume and have increased some of the long run intensity.
Or basically John didn’t know what he had been doing with Jane. Taylor discovered that Jane could improve more by running less. Totally against common sense, but that’s why they have been successful. With Valby and Jane, a new era of training is upon us before everyone even realizes it.
Or basically John didn’t know what he had been doing with Jane. Taylor discovered that Jane could improve more by running less. Totally against common sense, but that’s why they have been successful. With Valby and Jane, a new era of training is upon us before everyone even realizes it.
Absurd to think the person that got her to her high school level didn't know what he was doing. He seems to be replicating it well with Susan too. The fact that Jane has continued to progress in her freshman xc season means he kept things under control and handed her off with a lot left in the tank. He's already helped her be in a better position than most high school phenoms we've seen before.
Perhaps John Hedengren focused Jane's HS training on building endurance through volume and threshold with less emphasis on high intensity work (I'm speculating since I know nothing of how Jane was trained). He laid a solid foundation for a college coach to then take over and sharpen the knife. The high intensity work is rapidly making her faster, but requires that her volume be lowered to manage the workload.
It's been a very long time but I seem to recall that Galen Rupp was trained this way. Focused on endurance first, for many many years, before Salazar sharpened up his speed around the time he finally won an NCAA championship after never being able to kick before that.
This is just my speculation, I don't know the facts.
Another possibility is that Jane has reduced her running volume, but has supplemented the endurance work with non-running cardio activity.
You improve when your body adapts to the stress of training stimulus. If there is too much stress you don’t adapt and can stagnate. Long term that can also lead to overtraining. Is this a serious question?
But, isn't that evolution? I thought Mormons didn't believe in that.
Or basically John didn’t know what he had been doing with Jane. Taylor discovered that Jane could improve more by running less. Totally against common sense, but that’s why they have been successful. With Valby and Jane, a new era of training is upon us before everyone even realizes it.
Jane's HS coach says she had frequent consultations with Diljeet regarding Jane's training.
They were bringing her along slowly in HS. Diljeet has added intensity to her workouts. They also spend several hours a week on the arc trainer instead of running high mileage.
Jane's HS coach says she had frequent consultations with Diljeet regarding Jane's training.
They were bringing her along slowly in HS. Diljeet has added intensity to her workouts. They also spend several hours a week on the arc trainer instead of running high mileage.
Your answer and #35 are good explanations. Thank you.