Andreas MF Almgren European record 58:41

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    Koltrast

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    18 hours ago 10/26/2025 1:15pm EDT
    re: terrible__runner

    terrible__runner wrote:

    it's the double threshold for sure. i doubt he used double threshold back when he was a 800 runner and was injured all the time. he said earlier in the season that he definitely can't go 1:45 anymore these days, maybe 1:47.

    Indeed, he got started with double threshold somewhere around 2021 or 2022. He's been injured basically every season in his career, but he responds better to higher volume and lower intensity training compared to focusing too much on speedwork.

    I feel like he's always been better suited for longer distance stuff, despite him being successful at 800 as a junior. He has a background as a soccer player and was on the verge of going pro in one of the best Swedish clubs when he finished third at U20 Worlds in the 800.

    I'd guess that focusing on 800 served him better as a soccer player, but I feel like his results in the 1500 and 3000 are comparately pretty weak compared to what he's done in the other distances. His PBs in the 1500 and 3000 are 3:32 flat and 7:31 mid.

    And man, I would have never guessed that a runner from Sweden, where I'm from, would belong in the world elite, but he has become the fastest white guy in history across multiple distances.

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    re: Curious_Cat

    @Curious_Cat
    I agree with you in general, but in Almgren's case he also had an injury in the navicular bone if i recall correctly, that made him pretty much permanently lose a bit of speed and acceleration.

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    re: Curious_Cat

    Curious_Cat wrote:

    SpiderLegs wrote:

    You are right about threshold impacting speed. In Almgren's case though he said right before Worlds that his kick is the fastest it has been since the last 8 years or so (dont remember exactly), and it was mainly thanks to 1.5 months of race specific speed work after all the base threshold stuff.

    I think a lot of people fall into the fallacy of using shorter distances PR to predict kick. Sure it's part of the equation, as in you can't run a 50s last lap without being able to run, well, a 400 in 50s, but aside from that, it's mainly about how much you have got left at the end of the race. And that's why in the 5k Geb always prevailed v.s Komen when it came down to a kick even though Komen had significantly better shorter distances PRs from 1500 to 2 miles.

    what do you mean by all the time? They only raced twice over 5000m..

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    terrible__runner

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    14 hours ago 10/26/2025 5:02pm EDT
    re: High hopes

    High hopes wrote:

    Could be that Almgren ends his career with more European Records than Jakob. He already has the 5000m, HM, and 10k (road). I expect he'll take a shot at Farah's 26:46 10000m record next year. And would you bet against him eventually getting Abdi's 2:03:36? It's definitely a possibility though always hard to say how well athletes adapt to the marathon

    abdi's 2:03 will be very very tough i think. he'll have to get the national record first, which rn is at 2:05 high, but the guy who owns the record (suldan hassan) is still young (younger than Almgren anyway) and new to the marathon, so it'll probably be lower by the time Almgren gets to the full marathon anyway.

    it's definitely achievable for someone with 58 min HM, but the marathon is just a different beast and so as you said, it's hard to tell how an athlete will do in the marathon even if they're fast in the HM.

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    re: terrible__runner

    terrible__runner wrote:

    High hopes wrote:

    Could be that Almgren ends his career with more European Records than Jakob. He already has the 5000m, HM, and 10k (road). I expect he'll take a shot at Farah's 26:46 10000m record next year. And would you bet against him eventually getting Abdi's 2:03:36? It's definitely a possibility though always hard to say how well athletes adapt to the marathon

    abdi's 2:03 will be very very tough i think. he'll have to get the national record first, which rn is at 2:05 high, but the guy who owns the record (suldan hassan) is still young (younger than Almgren anyway) and new to the marathon, so it'll probably be lower by the time Almgren gets to the full marathon anyway.

    it's definitely achievable for someone with 58 min HM, but the marathon is just a different beast and so as you said, it's hard to tell how an athlete will do in the marathon even if they're fast in the HM.

    Suldan Hassan is also a former 1500-5000 guy who actually started focusing on the marathon because he's training with Abdi and Abdi could tell he would be well suited for the marathon.

    It's not impossible for Almgren to become a good marathon runner, but it's going to be difficult.

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    1500m-enthusiast

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    7 hours ago 10/27/2025 12:16am EDT
    re: it doesn't work like that

    it doesn't work like that wrote:

    enigmatic wrote:

    he is such an enigma with regards to this. former speedster (200m 22, 800m 1:45) so he really should be a kicker. today he seems to be roughly as competetive in all events between 3000m-HM. maybe he should just commit to road distances as you said. more price money as well.

    It doesn't translate like this. Guys like Hoey & Brazier can probably run 21.x hi and 45.x, but neither has ever been known as a huge 800 kicker like a Sedjati. And Almgren probably has better 200-800 PRs than Hocker, but in the 1500 and 5k we all know who'd win the battle on a last lap.

    Kicking and gear-changing is a skill, and does not translate directly from fast, flashy short distance PRs.

    Good post overall, but I disagree that Brazier is not known for finishing well in the 800. He tends to measure himself well in the opening lap and doesn't overextend himself until the last 200.

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    High hopes

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    re: terrible__runner

    terrible__runner wrote:

    High hopes wrote:

    Could be that Almgren ends his career with more European Records than Jakob. He already has the 5000m, HM, and 10k (road). I expect he'll take a shot at Farah's 26:46 10000m record next year. And would you bet against him eventually getting Abdi's 2:03:36? It's definitely a possibility though always hard to say how well athletes adapt to the marathon

    abdi's 2:03 will be very very tough i think. he'll have to get the national record first, which rn is at 2:05 high, but the guy who owns the record (suldan hassan) is still young (younger than Almgren anyway) and new to the marathon, so it'll probably be lower by the time Almgren gets to the full marathon anyway.

    it's definitely achievable for someone with 58 min HM, but the marathon is just a different beast and so as you said, it's hard to tell how an athlete will do in the marathon even if they're fast in the HM.

    He's significantly better than Conner Mantz at every distance up to HM, so given he has run 2:04-high, you'd think something in the 2:03 range should be achievable for Almgren. That said, he could end as another Kamworor, Tadese, Farah type. He's a guy who handles the mileage well, and his pacing is among the best in the world, so I'd back him to sun 2:03-something

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