All the pressure is on Lemongole. Jane will run strong from the start, and will not fade in any way. If Lemongole goes out super fast, Jane can just sit on and be in the slipstream until she’s ready for big surge. If Jane loses it will only be by fast kick in final 300.
It’s just great for US distance running. I hope Jane wins.
All the pressure is on Lemongole. Jane will run strong from the start, and will not fade in any way. If Lemongole goes out super fast, Jane can just sit on and be in the slipstream until she’s ready for big surge. If Jane loses it will only be by fast kick in final 300.
It’s just great for US distance running. I hope Jane wins.
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Doris most likely would have lowered her pb to around 8:56 had she not fallen in the World Steeple FINAL. Jane will face her first real ELITE World Class athlete at NCAAs. I honestly give Jane a 47% chance, Doris 50%, field 3% of victory. If Jane wins then she is most definitely in WAY better fitness than her she was in high school. High School Jane couldn't have beaten Pamela Kosgei by 40 seconds.
I’m 100% on board the Hedengren hype train now. Was being cautious for a girl just out of high school, but she’s proving herself to be one of the best in the country already, nevermind her age. She could be our best contender for a w5k medal in 2028 (and running the times that will take).
Reminder that when she ran her 5k pb, she took the pace during the hard laps, and the collegians sat on her and kicked at the end. Now she seems to be clearly better than all of them. 14:30 looks on the table outdoors to me.
the point isn't that she is actually a 14:16 runner. The point is that she is much better than a 14:52 runner right now. She only ran 1 5k outdoors at SEC championships and that was run to win not for a time. So we dont have a 5k showing her improved fitness from a season where she lowered her steeple PB by 17 seconds and got 5th in the world.
Maybe, but you can improve a lot in the steeple without getting a lot fitter at flat events, and my point is the steeple on the women's side is vastly below the flat events in terms of depth.
I so agree Doris is the best bet to beat her, but the potential improvement from 18-19 is higher than over aged 22-23, at least when the teenager actually takes to collegiate running immediately, which appears to be the case for Jane. It's all just guesswork now, and I have no inside knowledge, but I have a suspicion they've figured something out with her development that has her ready for bigger jumps than we would normally see. Or I'm just drinking the kool aid. We'll see.
No, they haven’t figured out anything out with her development and it’s only been a few months since her track season. Her 5000m HS record is the equivalent to a 13:27 for a a guy and her 2-mile record, 8:22. Obviously, nothing was left on the table. Her father is very knowledgeable about competitive distance running and has a BYU connection. If there was a way to change her development in a positive way, he would have heard about it from Eyestone or Diljeet.
Maybe, but you can improve a lot in the steeple without getting a lot fitter at flat events, and my point is the steeple on the women's side is vastly below the flat events in terms of depth.
I so agree Doris is the best bet to beat her, but the potential improvement from 18-19 is higher than over aged 22-23, at least when the teenager actually takes to collegiate running immediately, which appears to be the case for Jane. It's all just guesswork now, and I have no inside knowledge, but I have a suspicion they've figured something out with her development that has her ready for bigger jumps than we would normally see. Or I'm just drinking the kool aid. We'll see.
No, they haven’t figured out anything out with her development and it’s only been a few months since her track season. Her 5000m HS record is the equivalent to a 13:27 for a a guy and her 2-mile record, 8:22. Obviously, nothing was left on the table. Her father is very knowledgeable about competitive distance running and has a BYU connection. If there was a way to change her development in a positive way, he would have heard about it from Eyestone or Diljeet.
That's about right 13:27-30, but looks to me to be capable of 14:40 now.
Will be a great race, I predict she will win 18:20
All the pressure is on Lemongole. Jane will run strong from the start, and will not fade in any way. If Lemongole goes out super fast, Jane can just sit on and be in the slipstream until she’s ready for big surge. If Jane loses it will only be by fast kick in final 300.
It’s just great for US distance running. I hope Jane wins.
XC is not run in one lane so it’s not possible to draft off of a runner. Lemongole’s specialty is the steeple, and not XC, so I don’t know why she would be feeling more stress than Hedengren. If Lemongole does go out super fast, Hedengren might give her some space and wait for her to come back.
Maybe, but you can improve a lot in the steeple without getting a lot fitter at flat events, and my point is the steeple on the women's side is vastly below the flat events in terms of depth.
I so agree Doris is the best bet to beat her, but the potential improvement from 18-19 is higher than over aged 22-23, at least when the teenager actually takes to collegiate running immediately, which appears to be the case for Jane. It's all just guesswork now, and I have no inside knowledge, but I have a suspicion they've figured something out with her development that has her ready for bigger jumps than we would normally see. Or I'm just drinking the kool aid. We'll see.
No, they haven’t figured out anything out with her development and it’s only been a few months since her track season. Her 5000m HS record is the equivalent to a 13:27 for a a guy and her 2-mile record, 8:22. Obviously, nothing was left on the table. Her father is very knowledgeable about competitive distance running and has a BYU connection. If there was a way to change her development in a positive way, he would have heard about it from Eyestone or Diljeet.
I don't mean they figured something out in the last couple months, what i mean is that her entire development through high school has prepared her for more improvement than people were expecting.
Grace Hartman easily won Nuttycombe. She's going to be in it to win it. Jane is fast, that's for sure. It will be fun to watch.
Hartman is not going to be within 40 seconds of Jane.
Go watch Hartman's "win" at Nutty. Nepoleon is dawdling trying not to pass her and then subsequent has dusted her. Even the NZ twig is possibly better as she has two better finishes this year than Hartman.
I’m 100% on board the Hedengren hype train now. Was being cautious for a girl just out of high school, but she’s proving herself to be one of the best in the country already, nevermind her age. She could be our best contender for a w5k medal in 2028 (and running the times that will take).
Reminder that when she ran her 5k pb, she took the pace during the hard laps, and the collegians sat on her and kicked at the end. Now she seems to be clearly better than all of them. 14:30 looks on the table outdoors to me.
Jane's younger sister has already bested Jane's times in the age group stuff so are you on the engine or the caboose?
I’m 100% on board the Hedengren hype train now. Was being cautious for a girl just out of high school, but she’s proving herself to be one of the best in the country already, nevermind her age. She could be our best contender for a w5k medal in 2028 (and running the times that will take).
Reminder that when she ran her 5k pb, she took the pace during the hard laps, and the collegians sat on her and kicked at the end. Now she seems to be clearly better than all of them. 14:30 looks on the table outdoors to me.
Jane's younger sister has already bested Jane's times in the age group stuff so are you on the engine or the caboose?
The chances of Jane’s younger sister being as good, are less than 1%. I can’t think of a GOAT level athlete in any sport that had a sibling that was as good, or better.
Hartman is not going to be within 40 seconds of Jane.
I think you are discounting NC State. I wouldn’t be surprised if both Grace and Angelina finished ahead of Jane. Greatest team ever in women’s XC
It’s obvious you are a loser in life if you waste your time getting your jollies imitating other posters copying their handles, to make inane comments. That’s really the bottom-line for rojo and wejo’s little sandbox. They didn’t and won’t properly take care of the serial lying 430miler troll.
I think you are discounting NC State. I wouldn’t be surprised if both Grace and Angelina finished ahead of Jane. Greatest team ever in women’s XC
It’s obvious you are a loser in life if you waste your time getting your jollies imitating other posters copying their handles, to make inane comments. That’s really the bottom-line for rojo and wejo’s little sandbox. They didn’t and won’t properly take care of the serial lying 430miler troll.
Why do you continue on copying my handle? This is getting insane.
Jane's younger sister has already bested Jane's times in the age group stuff so are you on the engine or the caboose?
The chances of Jane’s younger sister being as good, are less than 1%. I can’t think of a GOAT level athlete in any sport that had a sibling that was as good, or better.
Ok, but Jane isn't GOAT level (at least not yet). And almost by definition, if you're GOAT level, you're the best in your family.
Still, there actually are a sizable number of sibling pairs (and groups) who were both/all very, very good, if not all GOAT level, then at least competitive on the world stage.
The Ingebrigtsen brothers The Dibaba sisters The Bekele brothers The Borlee almost-relay The Harting brothers (discus)
And in other sports: The Brownlee brothers in triathlon (one with two Olympic golds, the other with a silver and a bronze) The Williams sisters in tennis The Safin(a) siblings in tennis The Campbell sisters in swimming The Walsh sisters in swimming The Manning brothers in the NFL
And there are certainly more examples that I've missed.
You may find it surprising that sibling pairs aren't *even more* successful than this. I don't know what to say to that, except that the chance of any given person being #1 in the world is very, very low and your chances are far better if your siblings are elite athletes than otherwise.
The chances of Jane’s younger sister being as good, are less than 1%. I can’t think of a GOAT level athlete in any sport that had a sibling that was as good, or better.
Ok, but Jane isn't GOAT level (at least not yet). And almost by definition, if you're GOAT level, you're the best in your family.
She's pretty much GOAT level already in college after only a couple of races.
I’m 100% on board the Hedengren hype train now. Was being cautious for a girl just out of high school, but she’s proving herself to be one of the best in the country already, nevermind her age. She could be our best contender for a w5k medal in 2028 (and running the times that will take).
Reminder that when she ran her 5k pb, she took the pace during the hard laps, and the collegians sat on her and kicked at the end. Now she seems to be clearly better than all of them. 14:30 looks on the table outdoors to me.
After what I've seen of her so far this fall I would bet my house on her running 14:30 in the right race next spring. I'm 66 and have been following athletics since the early 70's, and have seen plenty of great female runners and athletes in my life, and she's right up there with the best I've ever seen. I really believe she is that good.