Advice: use lactate thresholds trainings of your friends Norwegian to catch up the retard.
Then build statues or "walks of fame" for your heroes.
How is Passant still a member on this forum? I dislike him even more than Armstronglivs, which is saying quite a lot.
I thought it was the other mental cripple that has been posting as “hssn men mok” among other names. You know, the Moroccan living on welfare in France.
The upside is we no longer have to read ridiculous posts about how Kenyans are just genetically superior.
they still are. Kenyan women still won all the event from 800 - marathon at World, and men also won the 800 and marathon with lots of silvers and bronzes here and there. It's childish and ignorant to deny their physiological advantages like life time exposure to altitude, thinner calf which aids in long distances and running economy.
The biggest thing at play with all of this is applying our own living situations and circumstances to the idea of acquiring prescription drugs.
Right now if I wanted to go and "buy" EPO, I can't just walk into a Walgreens or a Rite-Aid and ask for it, it's a pretty strict and regulated "supply chain" - especially for the average person (runner) off the street. And if you want to circumvent that with some kind of under-the-table, back-door connect, at a guess you would need some serious money to even start contemplating that game.
Kenya is still a firmly entrenched "developing" nation - a term used to a replace a slightly more derogatory one from the past - but hard to know exactly where on the spectrum of "developing" they are. Point is, things like an infrastructure around prescription drugs with the medical community is not like it is here or in the majority of the Western World. At least there are enough road blocks here to deter even asking where you could get it. I 100% believe that story there - the German ARD documentary from about a decade ago basically uncovered the same thing. Unless you believe in some kind of conspiracy between German TV and Cornelius Kiplagat that spans the course of a decade.
I was told a story by an AIU informant of how western athletes training in Kenya would get their hands on EPO, as easy as waiting in the parking lot of a Nairobi mall for a pickup truck with tinted windows to just roll by, pay your couple of hundred US dollars and that's it. Might as well be Doordash or UberEats.
It's why they will only ever catch athletes there if they are on AIU watchlists like Ruth Chepng'etich was. Think about it. Her WR will stand in the books because it was ratified and she wasn't caught prior to running it or in the testing at the event. But obviously she was cheating to to do it - she didn't run 2.09 and then think "now I need to start with this". So it shows that an athlete of her level can easily get away with it and the only way she was caught was when the AIU were like "holy sh-t this woman just ran a sub 2.10 marathon we need to watch her". Think about then these guys coming out of Kenyan and popping these insane times which to be honest is all they need to do. Run (I dunno), 1.42 or 3.27, some clown in big brand sports marketing will throw 150-200k at you for 4 years, you're set for life.
Don't know what else to say, it is what it is. Depressing.
Well, there's a very good reason you can't walk into a Rite-Aid and ask for it!
When Canova posted that here, that EPO won't benefit such runners, I asked two exercise physiologists I knew, one being Peter Snell, the other no one would have heard of, what they thought of Canova's claim. Both told me the idea was nonsense. Canova did have a pretty vested interest in convincing people that the Kenyan performances were legitimate.
Canova is one of the biggest stitch-ups that ever frequented these boards.
He played it well though - he was active on the boards relatively early in it's inception and in a time when access to pro training schedules etc was quite limited online, so he garnered a lot of fans with stories of workouts and training.
Of course that built up a platform of legitimacy which he parlayed into that narrative of "They were born at altitude so EPO doesn't work for them anyway, hence why would they take it" - and you are 100% right, considering almost all of his clientele were Kenyan distance runners, he had a massive vested interest in this fantasy that his athletes were clean (which they weren't).
I saw Renato at many meets in my time and always with the same protagonists - The Rosas and Gianni Demadonna. Enough said.
When Canova posted that here, that EPO won't benefit such runners, I asked two exercise physiologists I knew, one being Peter Snell, the other no one would have heard of, what they thought of Canova's claim. Both told me the idea was nonsense. Canova did have a pretty vested interest in convincing people that the Kenyan performances were legitimate.
Canova is one of the biggest stitch-ups that ever frequented these boards.
He played it well though - he was active on the boards relatively early in it's inception and in a time when access to pro training schedules etc was quite limited online, so he garnered a lot of fans with stories of workouts and training.
Of course that built up a platform of legitimacy which he parlayed into that narrative of "They were born at altitude so EPO doesn't work for them anyway, hence why would they take it" - and you are 100% right, considering almost all of his clientele were Kenyan distance runners, he had a massive vested interest in this fantasy that his athletes were clean (which they weren't).
I saw Renato at many meets in my time and always with the same protagonists - The Rosas and Gianni Demadonna. Enough said.
When Canova was posting the "EPO won't help them" stuff I posted what Peter and the other exercise phys told me. He responded by saying that neither of my people were in Kenya and didn't know what he did about the topic. I don't like insulting people and just let it drop but I really wanted to say that his credibility on the topic was severely compromised by his position relative to it and that a couple Ph.Ds with no vested interest in what people believed seemed far more credible.
How is Passant still a member on this forum? I dislike him even more than Armstronglivs, which is saying quite a lot.
I thought it was the other mental cripple that has been posting as “hssn men mok” among other names. You know, the Moroccan living on welfare in France.
Almost any bodybuilding connection can get you access to these markets... the big guy at the gym has a good chance
The only interest part is that it is so cheap but I might be mixing up a dose with a vial of a weeks worth of doses. I also expect the total volume people need to take that we are at the level of one guy with a cooler being able to dope the town for a month. But yeah I expect EPO in Kenya is about the same level of difficulty that a US football player has in getting some steroids or a HS kid some weed. Might not be legal but basically anyone who tries can find it.
Now where the doping program comes from? Safe to say they Italian coaches have it all worked out…
The upside is we no longer have to read ridiculous posts about how Kenyans are just genetically superior.
they still are. Kenyan women still won all the event from 800 - marathon at World, and men also won the 800 and marathon with lots of silvers and bronzes here and there. It's childish and ignorant to deny their physiological advantages like life time exposure to altitude, thinner calf which aids in long distances and running economy.
The official teating focus at this year’s WC was on the men. This will likely happen to the women too - although many physiologists due point out that there is less sexual dimorphism among black people, so the women may retain a bit of an advantage once they are under the microscope.
As for the men, people forget that the numbers of talented non-Africans who take up the sport have been lowered because of over three decades of Africans running wild and doping at will, discouraging the competition, which was one of the goals in the first place, just like Africans stocking their junior teams with athletes anywhere from 21 to 30 years of age, to discourage others. And also because cheating is OK with certain people.
I'm pretty sure I have seen posts from him within the last 18 months on the messageboard and usually if someone addresses him in a title about training he will respond.
But as high profile Kenya doping busts have rapidly increased thanks to the AIU actively following and tracking athletes there (basically the only way they are ever caught), Canova has "coincidentally" has disappeared with respect to his BS, self-serving and untruthful narrative on threads.
I educated myself on the benefits of EPO in order to comment here, and guys, this is absolutely HUGE if true. EPO is giving athletes improvements that are out of this world. All things being equal you cannot really compete against EPO guys. 9 times out of 10 you're losing. Bans should be for life (for bulletproof cases) when someone's caught I think there should not be a huge discussion around that.
The upside is we no longer have to read ridiculous posts about how Kenyans are just genetically superior.
they still are. Kenyan women still won all the event from 800 - marathon at World, and men also won the 800 and marathon with lots of silvers and bronzes here and there. It's childish and ignorant to deny their physiological advantages like life time exposure to altitude, thinner calf which aids in long distances and running economy.
Look up PEDs in East Germany - much more effective in women than in men. Or maybe you think the East German women were just genetically superior as well...
How is Passant still a member on this forum? I dislike him even more than Armstronglivs, which is saying quite a lot.
I thought it was the other mental cripple that has been posting as “hssn men mok” among other names. You know, the Moroccan living on welfare in France.
Dislike or not. You have found someone that know how to juice lemon on your eyes. So that to get to the ground and feel the sensation of others.
I'm pretty sure I have seen posts from him within the last 18 months on the messageboard and usually if someone addresses him in a title about training he will respond.
But as high profile Kenya doping busts have rapidly increased thanks to the AIU actively following and tracking athletes there (basically the only way they are ever caught), Canova has "coincidentally" has disappeared with respect to his BS, self-serving and untruthful narrative on threads.
Just to play devils advocate - I know he might have been talking nonsense about EPO for whatever reason, but does Canova actually have a history of coaching dopers?
Only person whom I can think of off the top of my head is Wilson Kipsang, and his missed tests were years after they had parted ways . Kipsang also seemed to have serious alcohol problems when this occurred.
I'm pretty sure I have seen posts from him within the last 18 months on the messageboard and usually if someone addresses him in a title about training he will respond.
But as high profile Kenya doping busts have rapidly increased thanks to the AIU actively following and tracking athletes there (basically the only way they are ever caught), Canova has "coincidentally" has disappeared with respect to his BS, self-serving and untruthful narrative on threads.
Just to play devils advocate - I know he might have been talking nonsense about EPO for whatever reason, but does Canova actually have a history of coaching dopers?
Only person whom I can think of off the top of my head is Wilson Kipsang, and his missed tests were years after they had parted ways . Kipsang also seemed to have serious alcohol problems when this occurred.
Jeptoo, also after she left. Canova was definitely wrong on several counts, namely
- that none of his athletes would ever dope - Jeptoo proved him wrong,
- that none of Sang's athletes would ever dope - Russo proved him wrong,
- that none of O'Connell's athletes would ever dope - Kipruto proved him wrong.
He was also a strong Rosa/Berardelli defender on this board.