The Brojos called me 'stupid' on a couple of occasions for denying that East Africans have a genetic advantage. Of course it pains them to see white guys winning as soon as a modicum of anti-doping is introduced to those regions.
Well, claiming that Iwan Thomas is the clean wr holder for 400m is certifiably stupid.
I agree that Gressier deserves props. However, it is incredibly insulting to Cheptegei to pretend that he wouldn’t have easily beaten Gressier. You can acknowledge Gressier without having the memory of a goldfish. Cheptegei has chosen to retire from the track, and so Gressier has a well earned gold medal. But if he didn’t retire, he would be just as good as he was the past several years.
The Brojos called me 'stupid' on a couple of occasions for denying that East Africans have a genetic advantage. Of course it pains them to see white guys winning as soon as a modicum of anti-doping is introduced to those regions.
But let's not forget that the Europeans and Americans used to beat Gressier too, all the way through 2024. So Gressier winning can't really be traced back to increased testing in Africa since 2024, not to mention the fact that no one so far has shown increased testing in Africa since 2024.
Yep. Hard to have respect for a guy implying that doping was the only reason why he hasn't been more competitive, as if he wasn't getting beat by fellow Europeans the past few years.
Jakob might have made digs about guys like Katir, but he never complained about doping making it harder for him to win golds, why? Because he was good enough to win anyway. Gressier seems like a sore loser by comparison and that's why he isn't on the same level as a champion, in either attitude or ability.
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The Brojos called me 'stupid' on a couple of occasions for denying that East Africans have a genetic advantage. Of course it pains them to see white guys winning as soon as a modicum of anti-doping is introduced to those regions.
But let's not forget that the Europeans and Americans used to beat Gressier too, all the way through 2024. So Gressier winning can't really be traced back to increased testing in Africa since 2024, not to mention the fact that no one so far has shown increased testing in Africa since 2024.
The increase has been where the men have been competing abroad. Of course it hasn’t really increased in Africa. Their ‘systems’ such as they are, are built on avoiding tests, substituting samples whenever possible, relying on greased palms via shoe companies and more. The results on the men’s side the past couple of years show this “theory” to be gaining traction. Increase the scrutiny and apply the same to the women while honestly ferreting out crooked officials and the sport will be on the way to being cleaner.
But let's not forget that the Europeans and Americans used to beat Gressier too, all the way through 2024. So Gressier winning can't really be traced back to increased testing in Africa since 2024, not to mention the fact that no one so far has shown increased testing in Africa since 2024.
Yep. Hard to have respect for a guy implying that doping was the only reason why he hasn't been more competitive, as if he wasn't getting beat by fellow Europeans the past few years.
Jakob might have made digs about guys like Katir, but he never complained about doping making it harder for him to win golds, why? Because he was good enough to win anyway. Gressier seems like a sore loser by comparison and that's why he isn't on the same level as a champion, in either attitude or ability.
What a silly post.
Gressier didn't say he would have been winning everything for the last decade if the AIU had been doing their job then. He's saying he wouldn't have been able to win 2 years ago because of the doping. Can you understand the difference?
He likely got motivated by the fact that the AIU was catching people and affecting the performances at the top.
Gressier has always been the most outspoken about the doping farce, at least since Nick Willis.
Jakob has claimed that doping is worse today than even in the EPO era. Of course it's easy not to rage about dopers when you are winning anyway.
Nobody has claimed, including Gressier, that he is on the same level as Jakob.
A guy like Almgren has plenty of reasons to be bitter over dopers, since he missed out on a spot in the 2023 Worlds 5000 final because of Katir and Oumaiz finishing ahead of him in the heats, and he finished second, two seconds behind Kandie in the Barcelona HM, who also has been banned for doping.
So increased testing is most likely a big factor that has benefited guys like Almgren and Jimmy G a lot.
Before the World Championships, Gressier beat a lot of big names, including Grant Fisher and Mehary, in a 3000 in Zurich. The consensus on the podcast was that it was a fluke. Nobody thought Gressier would medal in any event at Tokyo.
At the World Championships, Gressier beat everyone in the 10000. The consensus: Another fluke. After all, the pace was really slow. A lot of talk on the podcast about there being an asterisk in this race.
Then Gressier came back medaled in the 5000, which was not slow. This time there was a grudging admission that, yes, he has a good kick.
Around this time, Rojo said Gressier would not have won the 10000 if Cheptegai had been in the race. Not only is this debatable, it is a slap in the face to Gressier. It shows that even after he won two medals, the Letsrun experts still do not consider Gressier to be the real deal.
Gressier was the only distance runner to win two medals in Tokyo. He peaked at the right time and, yes, he has a very good kick. It is time for Letsrun to give him his due.
Cheptegei was a far better 10000m runner. Gressier is way too fat and big and clumsy to be the GOAT. Enough of all this funny talk. He isn’t even if Algerian or Moroccan descent and doesn’t have the genetic bloodline of GOAT like El Guerrouj. Gressier is pure white blood and runs exactly like it. Cheptegei is born for it as a hunter gatherer with his slick calves and bones and bird like body frame. East Africans are the exception.
Yep. Hard to have respect for a guy implying that doping was the only reason why he hasn't been more competitive, as if he wasn't getting beat by fellow Europeans the past few years.
Jakob might have made digs about guys like Katir, but he never complained about doping making it harder for him to win golds, why? Because he was good enough to win anyway. Gressier seems like a sore loser by comparison and that's why he isn't on the same level as a champion, in either attitude or ability.
What a silly post.
Gressier didn't say he would have been winning everything for the last decade if the AIU had been doing their job then. He's saying he wouldn't have been able to win 2 years ago because of the doping. Can you understand the difference?
He likely got motivated by the fact that the AIU was catching people and affecting the performances at the top.
Gressier has always been the most outspoken about the doping farce, at least since Nick Willis.
Jakob has claimed that doping is worse today than even in the EPO era. Of course it's easy not to rage about dopers when you are winning anyway.
Nobody has claimed, including Gressier, that he is on the same level as Jakob.
It’s nothing to do with catching dopers. Gressier won because he was just slightly better than the rest on the day, not because AIU has prevented more cheats in the event. To be honest how many more can AIU prevent? They didn’t prevent Fisher the most obvious fraud. There is no such thing as a timed peak since they can be disrupted easily by directed energy waves. Anything that can be timed perfectly is simply just at the mercy of those operating the cellphone weapon towers.
But let's not forget that the Europeans and Americans used to beat Gressier too, all the way through 2024. So Gressier winning can't really be traced back to increased testing in Africa since 2024, not to mention the fact that no one so far has shown increased testing in Africa since 2024.
Yep. Hard to have respect for a guy implying that doping was the only reason why he hasn't been more competitive, as if he wasn't getting beat by fellow Europeans the past few years.
Jakob might have made digs about guys like Katir, but he never complained about doping making it harder for him to win golds, why? Because he was good enough to win anyway. Gressier seems like a sore loser by comparison and that's why he isn't on the same level as a champion, in either attitude or ability.
Can’t agree more. The key to real talent is being able to beat the dopers in the way Chebet beat the hell out of Kipyegon in the 5/10k. Kipyegon is feeling very sore I assure you but she hides it well because of their friendship. But I wouldn’t be surprised if this mentally ill loser doper stabs Chebet and takes her life in a quiet and dark back alley in Eldoret one day. Why is Gressier depending on AIU to win races? Let everybody dope open the doors and let the clean ones get more satisfaction from actually beating the dopers. Sport is about fighting a war, and there are no rules of engagement in war just like in a street fight. If you are really too good you will win still.
lets be real. cheptegei wouldve crushed that field.
Your pithy point basically proves what I am saying. Like Rojo and Gault, you have such strong confirmation bias that you are incapable of taking an honest measure of Gressier's abilities.
Gressier has no ability. Look at his bones and calves. They are too big and bulky and bones protruding in places. He is not aerodynamic and bird framed like Cheptegei. Why haven’t we seen a Gressier running 26:05 yet if he is the real deal? Without a fast time you are just really lucky to begin with.
What was the winning time? 28:55 or something. That's exactly the kind of race that would redound to the benefit of Gressier, with his wicked kick. Wikipedia lists Cheptegai's 1500 as 3:37. I don't know if that's correct, but I wouldn't assume that he could kick as well Gressier off of a slow pace. Didn't you watch the Steeplechase and 1500 in Tokyo? Slow races allow kickers like Gressier to win.
You might say, "Well Cheptegai isn't an idiot. He wouldn't have let the pace dawdle so much." Maybe but (1) even in a relatively fast race, Gressier's kick is excellent as he showed in the Tokyo 5000; and (2) if Cheptegai had been there and had pushed the pace, serving as the de facto rabbit for the other competitors would have greatly undermined his chances of winning. it's hard to be the guy up in the front.
I will also point out that Cheptegai defeated Aregwai and Fisher by less than half a seond last year in Paris. Gressier demolished both those guys in Tokyo.
I really don’t think the race would be close even if the pace was slow. Chep has shown to have a superior kick minus missing the jump at the Tokoyo OG, where he was still closing fast on Barega. His kick is wildly underrated and he’s been blasting everyone by taking control at 500 meters out. No offense to JG but this one is an easy W for Cheptegei.
Couldn’t agree more. Cheptegei always kicks from 500m out and always wins. His patented slick calves and hollow bird bone makes him superior 10k runner. This was why he could still win these races despite going into it under the radar and out of shape. He won out of shape last year and also in 2022. Kicked same speed at Gressier with a much faster finishing time.
The Brojos called me 'stupid' on a couple of occasions for denying that East Africans have a genetic advantage. Of course it pains them to see white guys winning as soon as a modicum of anti-doping is introduced to those regions.
They do have a genetic advantage that provides from their slick calves, right waists and hollow bird bone. It’s their sacred ancestry blessed by the Abrahamic God. God gave them this genetic advantage to overpower and defeat oppressive white mayors. This is true. It’s not due to EPO.
It can also be said Cheptegei saw the writing on the wall with the slightly increased testing and went to the roads. Believe whatever you want. All we know he is split. Of course, he has already “..won it all,” and he smiles a lot, so he would never use PEDs.
Cheptegei was running clean as he was such an emphatic young man previously. He worships our Lord and I’ve seen him blessing and gracing village events and being a shining example to the village kids. Cheptegei couldn’t have been doping. I’ve seen him train and run and he a real talent.
Before the World Championships, Gressier beat a lot of big names, including Grant Fisher and Mehary, in a 3000 in Zurich. The consensus on the podcast was that it was a fluke. Nobody thought Gressier would medal in any event at Tokyo.
At the World Championships, Gressier beat everyone in the 10000. The consensus: Another fluke. After all, the pace was really slow. A lot of talk on the podcast about there being an asterisk in this race.
Then Gressier came back medaled in the 5000, which was not slow. This time there was a grudging admission that, yes, he has a good kick.
Around this time, Rojo said Gressier would not have won the 10000 if Cheptegai had been in the race. Not only is this debatable, it is a slap in the face to Gressier. It shows that even after he won two medals, the Letsrun experts still do not consider Gressier to be the real deal.
Gressier was the only distance runner to win two medals in Tokyo. He peaked at the right time and, yes, he has a very good kick. It is time for Letsrun to give him his due.
What’s wrong with this forum keep talking about a no name like Jimmy Gressier? He is just an afterthought. He doesn’t pose a modicum of threat to the distance world as per Coevett. No way he wins anything in 26, 27, 28. The 10k race was so fked up there is no way to measure accurately the quality of jimmy’s win? Previously on LRC he was labelled as ‘fked up or fked’ after the race either way means the same by the owners because he was not suppose to win anything at all. It’s not like he did any of the work upfront and was just dodging the wind all the time. Not gutsy not classy win from Jimmy. At least when Jakob wins we can’t complain because he went for it but Jimmy is hiding behind a wall of bodies like a culprit of a crime. Such a shame of him.
Macron should consider exiling him to Uganda for a lesson on running.